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Are you free the weekend of November 4 ?

How about ' 4th ' ?
 

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whl626 said:
Are you free the weekend of November 4 ?

How about ' 4th ' ?

The second one, 4th is what is used.

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:) Then I would put it that people just want to make it short for convenience sake.
 

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whl626 said:
:) Then I would put it that people just want to make it short for convenience sake.

Do you mean leave out the month? That's possible if that is understood. Example:

  • Are you free on the fourth?

What I meant tho is that people would either say November fourth or the fourth of November.

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No, I mean leave out the ' th ' :).
 

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whl626 said:
No, I mean leave out the ' th ' :).


Mm. In business letters people tend to leave out the 'th':

8) Are you free the weekend of November 4?
8) Are you free the weekend of 4 November?

I don't know if it's that way in spoken form, though.

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What I've seen is the first :) " Are you free the weekend of November 4 ?

That's why I wonder if 4 is short for 4th ? because of laziness :p
 

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whl626 said:
What I've seen is the first :) " Are you free the weekend of November 4 ?

That's why I wonder if 4 is short for 4th ? because of laziness :p

Using Numbers, Writing Lists

The advice proffered here is meant primarily for standard academic prose. Business and technical writing sometimes goes by a different set of standards, and writers of those kinds of text should consult a manual dedicated to those standards. (The APA Publication Manual has an extensive section devoted to the use of numbers in technical papers. The Chicago Manual of Style [chapter 13] addresses just about every issue that might come up in a technical or mathematical text.)

Dates and years: December 18, 1997. Avoid using ordinals when writing dates: Her birthday is on April 4.

http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/numbers.htm

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That is some source :). That clears up the mess once and for all :) Thanks
 

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Casiopea said:
whl626 said:
What I've seen is the first :) " Are you free the weekend of November 4 ?

That's why I wonder if 4 is short for 4th ? because of laziness :p

Using Numbers, Writing Lists

The advice proffered here is meant primarily for standard academic prose. Business and technical writing sometimes goes by a different set of standards, and writers of those kinds of text should consult a manual dedicated to those standards. (The APA Publication Manual has an extensive section devoted to the use of numbers in technical papers. The Chicago Manual of Style [chapter 13] addresses just about every issue that might come up in a technical or mathematical text.)

Dates and years: December 18, 1997. Avoid using ordinals when writing dates: Her birthday is on April 4.

http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/numbers.htm

:D

Apparently, that is some kind of rule for business writing. In speech at least, my birthday has always been July 4th.

Do you know what day of the year is a sentence?

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Ron, I believe that ' her birthday is on April 4. ' is actually pronounced as ' 4th ' verbally :). Am I right ?
 

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whl626 said:
Ron, I believe that ' her birthday is on April 4. ' is actually pronounced as ' 4th ' verbally :). Am I right ?

Yes, that's quite probable.

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