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    about "but"

    I'm a Japanese and teaches English.

    I have a question about "but" in the following sentence.

    I hadn't seen Miki for a long time until yesterday, but she looked even more cheerful than ever before.

    The former sentence is not in cotrast to the latter. It seems to me that "and" is better than "but".


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    Re: about "but"

    In this isolated sentence, the use of 'but' seems strange.

    Perhaps the speaker was responding to the question: "How's Miki?"
    The first clause of her answer has the idea that she only knows a little about Miki.
    She continues with a comment on Miki even though she has little information about her.

    In the common utterance "I'm sorry, but I can't come," there is also no contrast between the two clauses. Perhaps the contrast is between my inability to come and my desire to come. "I'm sorry" implies that I want to come.


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    I hadn't seen Miki for a long time until yesterday, but she looked even more cheerful than ever before.

    Is this a stand alone sentence? If not, it needs more context. The use of "but" could indicate a previous comment about Miki and her expression.

    If it is a stand alone sentence demonstrating conjunctions, I would agree that "and" is better.

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    Re: about "but"

    Thank IRPOND for answering.

    I understand about "but". What about "and"?

    I hadn't seen Miki for a long time until yesterday, and she looked even more cheerful than ever before.

    Is this "and" acceptable?

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    Re: about "but"

    Thank Anglika for answering.

    This is a stand alone sentence.

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    What about this comparison?

    but, used to express a contrast to what has been said:

    Max: I heard that Miki isn't all that happy these days.
    Sam: I hadn't seen Miki for a long time until yesterday, but she looked even more cheerful than ever before.

    and, used to add new information:

    Max: Have you seen Miki, lately?
    Sam: I hadn't seen Miki for a long time until yesterday, and she looked even more cheerful than ever before.
    Max: Oh, was she not so cheerful last time you saw her?

    Does that help?

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    Re: about "but"

    Thank Casiopea for answering.
    Your comparison helps a lot.

    There is no sentence before this.

    Is it acceptable that these two clauses are connected by "but"?

    I think "and" is better. "And" is used to add information.
    The second clause add more informatin about Miki.

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    Re: about "but"

    The question still is, why use but or and at all? The two sentences you have do not relate to each other unless they're in some kind of context. As is, they don't make sense. They leave the reader wondering why the writer put the two together. What happens next, what happened before? What possessed the writer to join those two specific ideas? That's the question.

    You'll need to rework it in order to express the meaning you intended to expess.

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