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    #71
    Try,

    If I were getting enough sleep, I would be more awake right now. :D

    I would like to thank you. :D


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    Does it matter if I use 'present /w present' or 'past /w past' or 'present /w past' or 'past /w present'?

    What do these mean if I mix and match it?
    1. If Iím getting some proper sleep, I would be more awake right now.
    2. If Iím getting some proper sleep right now, I will be more awake right now.
    3. If I were getting some proper sleep, I would be more awake right now.
    4. If I were getting some proper sleep, I will be more awake right now.

    5. I would like to thank you. (How come this doesn't mean past tense?)
    6. I will like to thank you . (How come I don't see anyone using this?)

    What do these mean?
    7. What do these mean if I mix and match it? (Right now?)
    8. What do these mean if I mixed and matched it? (Past?)
    9. What do these mean if I mix and matched it? (Is this correct?)

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    #73
    Quote Originally Posted by jack
    Does it matter if I use 'present /w present' or 'past /w past' or 'present /w past' or 'past /w present'?
    Yes. It matters. Use: If ... were... , ... would.... (Subjunctive)

    Quote Originally Posted by jack
    5. I would like to thank you. (How come this doesn't mean past tense?)
    In that context, 'would' functions as a modal. There are two verbs WOULD: 1) the past tense of 'will' and 2) the modal 'would'.


    Quote Originally Posted by jack
    6. I will like to thank you . (How come I don't see anyone using this?)
    'will' expresses volition: an action is required. The word 'like' is not an action, so it's not compatible with 'will'.


    Quote Originally Posted by jack
    7. What do these mean if I mix and match them? :D
    8. What do these mean if I mixed and matched them? :(
    9. What do these mean if I mix and matched them? :(
    Present Verbs
    What do these mean if I mix and match them?


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    #74
    'will' expresses volition: an action is required. The word 'like' is not an action, so it's not compatible with 'will'.
    1. I will like to thank you. (How can I correct this without using 'would'?)

    So this is wrong no matter what?
    2. What do these mean if I mixed and matched them?
    Why is the one above wrong?

    Both of these are correct? But not the one above?
    eg. I think you killed him.
    eg. I think you kill him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack
    1. I will like to thank you. (How can I correct this without using 'would'?)
    What do you mean "correct it"? :( If you change the word, you'll change the meaning.

    Quote Originally Posted by jack
    So this is wrong no matter what?
    2. What do these mean if I mixed and matched them?
    Yes. No matter what. :wink:

    Quote Originally Posted by jack
    Both of these are correct? But not the one above?
    eg. I think you killed him. :D
    eg. I think you kill him. :(
    The second one is incorrect.


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    #76
    What about here?
    1. I don't think you would want to pay for it if it is expensive? (So this is wrong right?)
    2. I don't think you'd want to pay for it if it were over $500.00. ('were' is correct here? Why it isn't 'was'?

    Yes. It matters. Use: If ... were... , ... would.... (Subjunctive)
    Why is it that? Is it just a rule? Also, could you tell me what does 'subjunctive' mean? Thanks. I looked that word up up and it said something about a verb which is not yet a fact and is still contingent. What does that mean?

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    #77
    would...were
    1. I don't think you would want to pay for it if it were expensive? :D
    2. I don't think you would want to pay for it if it were over $500.00. :D

    Quote Originally Posted by jack
    Also, could you tell me what does 'subjunctive' mean?
    The subjunctive is a mood. It describes an event that's imagined, wished or possible. It's no longer active in Modern English. If you search on the Net under subjunctive, you'll find a great deal written about it. With "If", the subjunctive takes the form 'were...would' or 'would...were':

    EX: If it were expensive (I'm guessing/imagining that it is expensive), I don't think you would want to pay for it.

    EX: I don't think you would want to pay for it if it were expensive.


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    #78
    If it were...
    This is incorrect? Why?
    1. If it was...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack
    If it were...
    This is incorrect? Why?
    1. If it was...
    There are two "were" verbs: 1) the plural past tense "were" and 2) the subjunctive "were", which is regular in all persons and numbers:

    Subjunctive
    I were
    You were
    S/he were
    It were
    They were

    Past Tense BE
    I was
    You were
    S/he was
    It was
    They were

    Speakers these days are starting to use the BE "was/were" paradigm in place of the subjunctive "were" paradigm. The subjunctive is dying, so speakers rarely hear it anymore. When they are faced with, "If I ___ ...", speakers often use 'was' instead of 'were', but 'were' is the correct form tradidtionally.


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    #80
    Thanks.

    I still don't get this one:
    1. I will like to thank you. (I still don't understand why this is wrong? How can I test this one b/c I don't see any errors in it.

    2. I would like a sports car.
    3. I will like a sports car. (So this is wrong?)

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