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    Poor thing (creature)

    "My young sister is a real angel. The poor thing is just sitting and thinking what to do with this snail a shell of which she has just trod."

    The question is whether is should be "it has just trod" or as it stands. Lewis Carroll uses "it" in such a construction, but naturally I would use "she". The point is I have no natural feeling of English, but the language Carroll uses may be a bit out-of-date.

    (By the way, I would appreciate any comments on the above sentences.)

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    Re: Poor thing (creature)

    Quote Originally Posted by nyggus View Post
    "My young sister is a real angel. The poor thing is just sitting and thinking what to do with this snail a shell of which she has just trod."

    The question is whether is should be "it has just trod" or as it stands. Lewis Carroll uses "it" in such a construction, but naturally I would use "she". The point is I have no natural feeling of English, but the language Carroll uses may be a bit out-of-date.

    (By the way, I would appreciate any comments on the above sentences.)

    Nyggus

    Hello to Poland,

    She and poor thing have the same referent, the writer's sister.

    My young sister is a real angel. The poor thing is just sitting and thinking what to do with this snail, a shell of which she has just trod/trodden/treaded on
    Check the past participle forms:
    Cambridge Dictionaries Online - Cambridge University Press

    Last edited by svartnik; 24-Jun-2007 at 12:40.

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    Re: Poor thing (creature)

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post
    Hello to Poland,

    She and poor thing have the same referent, the writer's sister.

    Hi, Svartnik. This I know, but I asked whether it should be "she" or "it"; the latter was used but Lewis Carroll so I may have reasons to think this is the correct construction, and I used the construction I have never come across, i.e., that with "she".

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    Re: Poor thing (creature)

    Quote Originally Posted by nyggus View Post
    Hi, Svartnik. This I know, but I asked whether it should be "she" or "it"; the latter was used but Lewis Carroll so I may have reasons to think this is the correct construction, and I used the construction I have never come across, i.e., that with "she".

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    only she works there. I thought it is obvious from my last post.
    Caroll is okay.


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    Re: Poor thing (creature)

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post
    only she works there. I thought it is obvious from my last post.
    Caroll is okay.

    OK. Remember I'm not a native so need to have things put clearly! And by the way, if Carroll is okay, why he uses "it"?

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    Re: Poor thing (creature)

    Quote Originally Posted by Niall Beag View Post
    No-one can answer that if you don't give us a direct quote.

    As for your original sentence:
    "what to do with this snail a shell of which she has just trod."

    "a shell of which" should be "whose shell". (Older grammar books only use "whose" for people, but this doesn't match modern usage.)

    Also, you "tread on <something>" -- you do not "tread it".
    You have two choices.
    The slightly old-fashioned "...snail on whose shell she has just trodden."
    or the slightly more modern (but likely to get marked wrong by some teachers) "...snail whose shell she has just trod on" (or "trodden on")
    Thanks. So I will rewrite the sentence:
    "My young sister is a real angel. The poor thing is just sitting thinking what to do with a snail whose shell she has just trod on." A question is whether this "she" is correct, or should I use "it" instead.

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    Re: Poor thing (creature)

    Quote Originally Posted by nyggus View Post
    Thanks. So I will rewrite the sentence:
    "My young sister is a real angel. The poor thing is just sitting thinking what to do with a snail whose shell she has just trod on." A question is whether this "she" is correct, or should I use "it" instead.

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    This 'it' is really confusing. Can you give us a direct quote (from Lewis Carroll)?

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    Re: Poor thing (creature)

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    This 'it' is really confusing. Can you give us a direct quote (from Lewis Carroll)?

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    I'll have to look for it as, unfortunately, I didn't write it down when I came across it. (And I hope this is not only my imagination or bad understanding of the text!)

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