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  1. big
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    Subjunctive

    Hey,

    this is the given sentence:

    Whatever she decides, we cannot change our plans.

    Is the subjunctive:

    Whatever she decide, we cannot change our plans.
    Whatever she decides, we cannot change our plans.

    or is both possible as subjunctive.

    thank you for your help !!!

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    Re: Subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by big View Post
    Hey,

    this is the given sentence:

    Whatever she decides, we cannot change our plans.

    Is the subjunctive:

    1.Whatever she decide, we cannot change our plans.-not correct
    2.Whatever she decides, we cannot change our plans.-correct

    or is both possible as subjunctive.

    thank you for your help !!!

    Bye
    Blindi
    Hi
    The second sentence is correct. The Subjunctive Mood is not possible here because "decide" does not require subjunctive:

    e.g. I requested that she change / should change her plans.
    I suggested that she see / should see a doctor.



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    Wink Re: Subjunctive

    The subjunctive occurs mainly in very formal styles, involving the base form of the verb, without any inflections (like the '-s' on third person singular):

    I insist that she do that herself.

    The subjunctive form of the verb be may occur as the base form be or as hypothetical were (for all persons):

    Far be it from me to tell you what to do.
    If I were a teacher I would be really happy.


    However, in your sentences I cannot see any reason for using the subjunctive mood, I'm afraid.

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    Re: Subjunctive

    engee30

    I think you mean, 'Far be it for me to tell you what to do.'
    Am I right?

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    Wink Re: Subjunctive

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    I think you mean, 'Far be it for me to tell you what to do.'
    Am I right?
    I'm afraid you're wrong, I mean the phrase Far be it from somebody to do something is a fixed phrase, with the subjunctive used. Thus, you can't actually change anything within it.

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    Re: Subjunctive

    No, I think you are wrong. The fixed phrase is 'Far be it for someone to do something.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    No, I think you are wrong. The fixed phrase is 'Far be it for someone to do something.'
    2006 (by the way, my LMS number, the number that I use in a warehouse I work in, is 2004) I am absolutely sure that I am right - I've just rechecked my source of information, and it still says the same thing - it's Far be it from..., not Far be it for....
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    Re: Subjunctive

    Well, it's probably another difference between European English and North American English. "forô is said where I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    "forô is said where I am.
    Is that so? Well, since I am not a native speaker of English, I can't tell you whether the version that I provided is the only version that is acceptable here, in Europe. Apart from the book where I found the information on the issue, I looked the phrase up in two dictionaries - they said the same, the correct preposition was from.

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    Re: Subjunctive

    Hi

    Engee is right.

    The standard English phrase is : Far be it from...

    Here is the explanation:far be it for me


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    Last edited by Teia; 28-Jun-2007 at 14:39.

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