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    Cool presumtive heir or....?

    hi,

    Is it: "he's the heir presumptive", or "he's the presumptive heir"?

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    #2

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    the second one


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    Quote Originally Posted by bieasy View Post
    hi,

    Is it: "he's the heir presumptive", or "he's the presumptive heir"?
    We need context.

    Prince Charles is the Heir Presumptive to the throne.

    However, you can say that xxx is the presumptive heir to someone's estate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglika View Post
    We need context.

    Prince Charles is the Heir Presumptive to the throne.

    However, you can say that xxx is the presumptive heir to someone's estate.
    Is "Heir" in that case an adjective?


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    Re: presumtive heir or....?

    "Heir" is a noun in both cases, "presumptive" an adjective.

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    Re: presumtive heir or....?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglika View Post
    We need context.

    Prince Charles is the Heir Presumptive to the throne.

    However, you can say that xxx is the presumptive heir to someone's estate.
    Technically speaking, Charles is the Heir Apparent. Only females can be designated "Heir Presumptive" in the British realm.

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    Re: presumtive heir or....?

    Quote Originally Posted by bieasy View Post
    Is "Heir" in that case an adjective?
    This has already been answered, but I'll say more. Yours was a reasonable assumption - in English, nouns usually come after adjectives. But there are a few phrases that follow French syntax; the most common ones (not common at all ) are usually to do with royalty or law or administration (because these were fields that preserved Anglo-French), such as 'heir apparent/presumptive', 'court martial', 'bend sinister'. For all these phrases, many dictionaries (especially learners' dictionaries) won't be much help I'm afraid (if you look up each individual word).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouisch View Post
    Technically speaking, Charles is the Heir Apparent. Only females can be designated "Heir Presumptive" in the British realm.
    Nice to see that people in the former colonies are better acquainted with the finer points of our royals than we are.

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    PS - Link I didn't have time to find last night: http://www.themcs.org/heraldry/BendSinister.gif - used in heraldry to indicate illegitimacy (=when the holder's father isn't married to his mother). If the parents are married, the bar is on the other diagonal - Bend Dexter

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