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    #1

    Correct one

    Having explained things three times, Simon's patience was exhausted
    ---> Having explained things three times, Simon has run out of patience
    or
    Having explained things three times, Simon had run out of patience
    ???

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    #2

    Re: Correct one

    How about this :
    Having explained things three times, Simonīs patience ran out.
    Simonīs patience ran out after he had explained the matter the third time.


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    Re: Correct one

    Nah, I just asked which of them is right

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    Re: Correct one

    First, you're right. This sentence is ungrammatical:

    1. Having explained things three times, Simon's patience was exhausted.

    Having explained ... modifies the subject Simon's patience. His patience didn't explain things three times, Simon did.

    Second, both of these are fine:

    2. Having explained things three times, Simon has run out of patience.

    3. Having explained things three times, Simon had run out of patience.

    Which meaning did you want to express?

    What about?

    4. Having explained things three times, Simon ran out of patience.


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    Re: Correct one

    Having explained things three times, Simon's patience was exhausted

    Which of the two most fits the sentence above?
    2. Having explained things three times, Simon has run out of patience.

    3. Having explained things three times, Simon had run out of patience.

    Do they have differences? And why?

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    Re: Correct one

    Both work, and I still feel that past simple ran works best.


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    #7

    Re: Correct one

    'Having explained things three time, Simon had run out of patience.'

    means that he grew impatient before he explained.


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    Having explained things three times, Simon has run out of patience.

    3. Having explained things three times, Simon had run out of patience.

    Bendriss, your explanation still doesn't work on me, please explain more clearly

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    #9

    Re: Correct one

    I'm sorry, but I don't agree with bendriss's analysis.

    Use "had" if you want to talk about events that came after the "running out of patience" but prior to right now.

    For example, "Having explained it three times, Simon had run out of patience and refused to do it again." Here, the refusing (in the past) was after the running out of patience.

    If this was a recent thing - Simon still seems pretty irritated - then use "has."

    What's wrong with Simon? Well, having explained this thing three times, he's run out of patience.

    [not a teacher]


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    Re: Correct one

    Barb_D, I think if we use "had", it means Simon did that before the event: explain three times
    And if we use has, we mean that it happens after

    But if we explain in my way, it isn't clear, is it?

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