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    sentence and phrase

    I would be grateful if someone help me to explain whether the following sentence are correct.

    1. Testing for the system outstanding. (Phrase)
    2. Testing for the system is still outstanding. (Sentence)

    3. Labeling for the equipment missing
    4. Labeling for the equipment is missing

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    Re: sentence and phrase

    In order for a group of words to be a phrase, they have to work together to convey some type of meaning.

    1. Testing for the system outstanding
    and
    3. Labeling for the equipment missing
    are not, in my opinion, phrases.

    Without the verb is between system and outstanding or between equioment and missing, it is impossible to know how the other words go together to create a meaning.

    1. and 4. are perfectly good sentences.


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    Re: sentence and phrase

    You say
    1 and 4 are perfectly good sentences.

    But

    1. Testing for the system outstanding has no finite verb. How can it be a perfectly good sentence?

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    Re: sentence and phrase

    I believe mykwyner meant that examples 2. and 4. are 'perfectly good sentences':

    1. Testing for the system outstanding. (Phrase)
    2. Testing for the system is still outstanding. (Sentence)

    3. Labeling for the equipment missing
    4. Labeling for the equipment is missing

    ben9108, outstanding and missing are participles, which means they are part of a larger unit; they can't function on their own. Either add a form of BE (is, was), as mykwyner suggested, thereby making the participles part of a verb phrase, or use the participles to modify a noun so that they are part of a noun phrase. Like this, (note, these are not the meanings you're after. They are examples of how to use participles as adjectives):

    1. Testing for the outstanding system
    3. Labeling for the missing equipment

    In short, examples 2. an 4. are sentences that work. Examples 1. and 3. are phrases that don't work; the participles stand alone. They are not part of a larger unit.

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    Re: sentence and phrase

    Thanks, but i would like to ask the following sentence is same meaning

    1. Testing for the outstanding system = Testing for the system is still outstanding.

    3. Labeling for the missing equipment = Labeling for the equipment is missing.

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    Re: sentence and phrase

    Quote Originally Posted by ben9108 View Post
    Thanks, but i would like to ask the following sentence is same meaning

    1. Testing for (the outstanding) system = Testing (for the system) is still outstanding.

    3. Labeling for (the missing) equipment = Labeling (for the equipment) is missing.
    No.
    (Not a teacher.)

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    Re: sentence and phrase

    Quote Originally Posted by ben9108 View Post
    Thanks, but i would like to ask the following sentence is same meaning

    1. Testing for the outstanding system = Testing for the system is still outstanding.

    3. Labeling for the missing equipment = Labeling for the equipment is missing.
    No. They do not have the same meaning.

    My examples mean,
    1. the system is outstanding
    3. the equipment is missing
    Those meanings are not what you want.


    Your examples mean,
    1. Testing the system hasn't been done yet.
    3. Lables are missing.
    Those are the meaning you want, right?


    Does that help?

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    Re: sentence and phrase

    Thanks, but have anyone teach me how to present the following complete sentences in phrase pattern with same meaning.

    Testing for the system is still outstanding
    Labeling for the equipment is missing.


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    Re: sentence and phrase

    [CAUTION: I am not a teacher:take the advice and or corrections offered in this post at your own risk.
    If you doubt the information, please get a qualified opinion from one of the teachers on these forums.]

    As this has become an issue of some attention, please take special note of the disclaimer.

    ben9108>

    I'm going to guess that you are trying to convey a particular message in as few words as possible (like say in a computer system or on a chart of some kind) and give you the structure I think you want. Before I do so, I'd like to say: you obviously have a reason for trying to convey this information in a certain way and it sounds important.

    I think it would be much better if you gave the reason. Giving some background would help people answer your question more directly, and give you more reliable information.

    testing for system still outstanding
    labelling* for equipment missing


    n.b.:these are not phrases, as others have tried to explain, they are fragments, incomplete sentences. However, they convey the same basic information as your previous sentences though they are grammatically incorrect.

    You might get an extra word from the first one if you wrote:

    system testing still outstanding

    Also, once you have clarified the meaning with others, if you are able to, you could suggest abbreviating "system" to "sys." and "equipment" to "equip.", if you need to.

    *labelling with a double 'l' is a spelling I prefer



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    Quote Originally Posted by weiming View Post
    [CAUTION: I am not a teacher:take the advice and or corrections offered in this post at your own risk.
    If you doubt the information, please get a qualified opinion from one of the teachers on these forums.]

    As this has become an issue of some attention, please take special note of the disclaimer.

    ben9108>

    I'm going to guess that you are trying to convey a particular message in as few words as possible (like say in a computer system or on a chart of some kind) and give you the structure I think you want. Before I do so, I'd like to say: you obviously have a reason for trying to convey this information in a certain way and it sounds important.

    I think it would be much better if you gave the reason. Giving some background would help people answer your question more directly, and give you more reliable information.

    testing for system still outstanding
    labelling* for equipment missing


    n.b.:these are not phrases, as others have tried to explain, they are fragments, incomplete sentences. However, they convey the same basic information as your previous sentences though they are grammatically incorrect.

    You might get an extra word from the first one if you wrote:

    system testing still outstanding

    Also, once you have clarified the meaning with others, if you are able to, you could suggest abbreviating "system" to "sys." and "equipment" to "equip.", if you need to.

    *labelling with a double 'l' is a spelling I prefer


    Thanks, I would like to write a defect list after inspection presenting it in phrase. Am i right if i also wrote:

    1 Equip. labelling missing;
    2 Equipment at R/F labelling missing ;

    3 System testing in plant room at R/F outstanding;
    4 System functional testing in plant room at R/F outstanding.

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