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    Smile too late to apply for

    When I saw the job advertisement, it was already too late to apply for.


    Is "for" optional here or must I keep it? Thanks.

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    #2

    Re: too late to apply for

    "For" is optional. "It was too late to apply" will convey the same meaning.

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    Re: too late to apply for

    Thanks, Ouisch.
    By the way, is "with" in the following also optional?

    This is the pen that I used to write with when I was in high school.

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    #4

    Re: too late to apply for

    No. In that example, "with" is necessary.

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    Re: too late to apply for

    Thanks, Ouisch.
    Then what is the rule here?
    I don't apply the job but for the job.
    I don't write the pen but with the pen.

    Their sentence patterns are similar, but why is it that "for" is optional but "with" not.

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    Re: too late to apply for

    1. When I saw the job advertisement, it was already too late to apply for it.

    2. When I saw the job advertisement, it was already too late to apply.

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    Re: too late to apply for

    Quote Originally Posted by angliholic View Post
    This is the pen that I used to write with when I was in high school.
    Phrasal: write with [something].

    I write a pen. (as is, I write an essay)
    I write with a pen.

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    #8

    Re: too late to apply for

    Quote Originally Posted by angliholic View Post
    "for" is optional but "with" not.
    Actually, both are optional, but omitting with changes the meaning of the verb.

    I applied for a job.
    I applied.

    I write with a pen. <use an implement>
    I write. <act of writing something>

    Note, if you're going to omit with or for, you also have to omit its object.

    Preposition + its object
    for + a job
    with + a pen

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    Re: too late to apply for

    Thanks, Soup.

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