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    Question 7 says the answer is "This usually refers to present or future". This implies that second conditional sentences can refer to past also. Is it correct? Please help.

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    Re: conditionals

    How about this:
    I would be surprised if he went to the party last night.
    This is not the same as a third conditional, where we're dealing with unreal pasts, but it is a statement where the if clause does deal with past time, and expresses the speaker's disbelief in an expressed opinion or statement about the past.


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    Hi Tdol
    Point very well taken. Great many thanks.

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    You're welcome, Udara. One other thing; when using this form to refer to the past, it is more common to say 'If he was...' than to use the subjunctive.

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    Re: conditionals

    Hello,

    I would like to ask for some additional explanation about the situations when the if clause of the second conditional form express past time if possible. I have two questions :

    1.Is this conditional form restricted (or typical ) to some specific usage (certain kind of verbs or so)

    2.Is it sometimes interchangeable in meaning with the third type of conditional ?

    In that regard, I think that it would be correct to say :

    I would be rich now if I had been putting money in the bank.

    but would it be correct to use simple past tense in the if clause to express my depositing of money in the past , like:

    I would be rich now if I was putting money in the bank

    Thankful

    PS . One remark regarding the testing question . In past simple test I had this answers corrected as wrong :

    Question #: 8: The Past Simple of are is were.
    User's answer: False
    Correct answer: True

    Question #: 4: The Past Simple of is is was.
    User's answer: False
    Correct answer: True

    Was and were are past forms of the verb "to be" , and is and are present forms of the verb "to be" or I'm wrong ?

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    Velimir:

    The Past Simple of are is were. - true
    Let me put it some other way:

    You, we, they are- present simple tense
    you, we, they were - past simple tense

    The personal pronouns which get are in the present simple tense, take were in the past simple tense.

    The Past Simple of is is was. -true

    She, he, it is- present simple tense
    She, he, it was - past simple tense

    The personal pronouns which get is in the present simple, take was in the past simple tense.
    Additionally , the past tense of am is was: I am - I was

    Does this help?
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    Hello Teia ,

    First of all thanks for your discussion,nice of you to reply to my post .As to the answer I am still not sure that it is correct explanation ,or more precisely I think that english grammar gives clear explanation :The verb "to be" have present forms : "am,is" for singular , and "are" for plural ."Was" is singular and "were" plural past forms of the verb "to be".

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    Quote Originally Posted by velimir View Post
    Hello Teia ,

    First of all thanks for your discussion,nice of you to reply to my post .As to the answer I am still not sure that it is correct explanation ,or more precisely I think that english grammar gives clear explanation :The verb "to be" have present forms : "am,is" for singular , and "are" for plural ."Was" is singular and "were" plural past forms of the verb "to be".

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    You are welcome!

    You are right when you say that the forms am and is are used in the singular and they come from the verb be. The same happens with was and were which are forms of past tense of the verb be.

    The question was :


    Question #: 8: The Past Simple of are is were.
    User's answer: False
    Correct answer: True

    Explanation : are is used with we, you, they. When you have to turn we are, you are, they are [which are in the present simple] into the past simple ,you say : we were, you were, they were

    Question #: 4: The Past Simple of is is was.
    User's answer: False
    Correct answer: True

    Explanation: Is is used with he, she, it. When you have to turn she is, he is, it is,[which are in the present simple] into the past simple , you say: she was, he was, it was..

    All these [is, are, was, were] are forms of the infinitive be; but is [in the present] corresponds to was[in the past] because they [ is and was] are used with the same 3rd personal pronoun:he, she, it.
    They correspond to one another when you have to conjugate the verb to be:

    Present tense Past tense

    I am - I was
    you are - You were
    he / she/ it /is - he/she/it was
    we are - we were
    you are - you were
    they are - they were

    The simple past forms of be are was and were. They thought of a simpler formula to ask which form in the present tense corresponds to the form in the past tense : is -was ; are - were
    Get it?
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    Re: conditionals

    Quote Originally Posted by velimir View Post

    I would like to ask for some additional explanation about the situations when the if clause of the second conditional form express past time if possible. I have two questions :

    1.Is this conditional form restricted (or typical ) to some specific usage (certain kind of verbs or so)

    2.Is it sometimes interchangeable in meaning with the third type of conditional ?
    1 It is often used not to imagine alternatives to established facts (3rd conditional), but to question the accuracy about something stated as a fact.

    2 No, it is not the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by velimir View Post
    In that regard, I think that it would be correct to say :

    I would be rich now if I had been putting money in the bank.

    but would it be correct to use simple past tense in the if clause to express my depositing of money in the past , like:

    I would be rich now if I was putting money in the bank
    The first is a mixed conditional; the if clause refers to the past, and the second part to the current result:
    I didn't put money in the bank. I am not rich.

    The second example does not refer to the past:
    I don't put money in the bank. I am not rich.



    Quote Originally Posted by velimir View Post

    Was and were are past forms of the verb "to be" , and is and are present forms of the verb "to be" or I'm wrong ?
    Yes, but 'was' is the past of 'am' and 'is' and 'were' is the past form of 'are'.

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    Re: conditionals

    Thanks Teia for the additional explanation.It is clear now really..."a simpler formula to ask which form in the present tense corresponds to the form in the past tense : is -was ; are - were ". I got it, thanks.

    Tdol your explanation about the conditionals was exactly what I needed to know. Thanks a lot.

    Best wishes to you both

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