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    Smile If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.

    If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.




    Does the above read well to you? If not, why not? Thanks.


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    Re: If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.

    Whether the sports meeting is held will depend on the weather.

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    Re: If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.

    Thanks, Anglika.
    But I wonder why the base sentence doesn't work. Could you dig up a reason?

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    Re: If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.

    Quote Originally Posted by angliholic View Post
    Thanks, Anglika.
    But I wonder why the base sentence doesn't work. Could you dig up a reason?
    Several reasons. The main two, I'd say, are these:

    • * 'if' is ambiguous (syntactically), whereas 'whether' (in Anglika's version) clearly signals that 'whether the sports meeting is held' is a subordinate clause.
      * 'meet' is ambiguous (semantically); it could (in fact does more often than not) have a verbal meaning.


    These two ambiguities, occurring in the first four words, make the original sentence hard to parse.

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    Smile Re: If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Several reasons. The main two, I'd say, are these:
    • * 'if' is ambiguous (syntactically), whereas 'whether' (in Anglika's version) clearly signals that 'whether the sports meeting is held' is a subordinate clause.
      * 'meet' is ambiguous (semantically); it could (in fact does more often than not) have a verbal meaning.

    These two ambiguities, occurring in the first four words, make the original sentence hard to parse.

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    Thanks, Bobk.
    By the way, what does "a verbal meaning" refer to?

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    Re: If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.

    Quote Originally Posted by angliholic View Post
    Thanks, Bobk.
    By the way, what does "a verbal meaning" refer to?
    I was referring to the verb 'meet'. (Not very well expressed, I know... )

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    Re: If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.

    Thanks, Bobk.

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    Re: If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.

    You could say:
    Whether the track meet will be held depends on the weather.
    (As far as I know, "sports meet" isn't used.)

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    Re: If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    You could say:
    Whether the track meet will be held depends on the weather.
    (As far as I know, "sports meet" isn't used.)

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    Thanks, Ron.
    It's really confusing to know that "the track meet" does work, while the sports meet doesn't. Is there a rule or guideline to use "meet" and "meeting?"

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    Re: If the sports meet will be held depends on the weather.

    Quote Originally Posted by angliholic View Post
    Thanks, Ron.
    It's really confusing to know that "the track meet" does work, while the sports meet doesn't. Is there a rule or guideline to use "meet" and "meeting?"
    I don't know about a rule, but I know that track meets have been around for a long time. They have runs of various lenghts (100 meters, 1000 meters, 5000 meters) and events like high jump, long jump, discus, and shot put.

    ~R

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