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    Some structures need resolving

    1) "If I have to eat the leather on the ship's yards, yet will I go on and do my work"-Magellan answered resolutely
    Is yet here used to imply that sth could, might, etc. happen in the future, even though it seems unlikely? But I think it won't match the meaning because he answered it resolutely

    2) For even if sailors knew the directions of the winds, they could not know whither those winds would carry them, and as there was no inhabited land beyond, they would run the risk of being lost in mist and vapor.

    Does whither here mean whether? or whatever place?

    3)If you will look at the different pictures of George Washington, you will see how he changed in appearance .....
    So what do the sentence mean when using to will?


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    Re: Some structures need resolving

    Quote Originally Posted by belly_ttt View Post
    1) "If I have to eat the leather on the ship's yards, yet will I go on and do my work"-Magellan answered resolutely
    Is yet here used to imply that sth could, might, etc. happen in the future, even though it seems unlikely? But I think it won't match the meaning because he answered it resolutely

    2) For even if sailors knew the directions of the winds, they could not know whither those winds would carry them, and as there was no inhabited land beyond, they would run the risk of being lost in mist and vapor.

    Does whither here mean whether? or whatever place?

    Both #1 and #2 are archaic sentences. "yet" = despite everything; "whither" = whatever place.

    3)If you will look at the different pictures of George Washington, you will see how he changed in appearance .....
    So what do the sentence mean when using to will? If I understand you, it is saying if you will do x, you will see y = if you carry out action a, you will see b.

    What do you mean by "to will"?
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    Re: Some structures need resolving

    Oh I'm sorry Anglika. It's best to rewrite the sentence as: So what do the sentence mean when we use will in it?

    1)So, if here is archaic use, can you make it clear why if is here? In the modern day, perhaps we could rewrite it as:" If I have to..., I will go on and do my work". I think yet here is superflous, isn't it?
    3) If we rewrite it as:If you look at...., you will see.... Is there any change in meaning?


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    Re: Some structures need resolving

    Quote Originally Posted by belly_ttt View Post
    Oh I'm sorry Anglika. It's best to rewrite the sentence as: So what do the sentence mean when we use will in it?

    1)So, if here is archaic use, can you make it clear why if is here? In the modern day, perhaps we could rewrite it as:" If I have to..., I will go on and do my work". I think yet here is superflous, isn't it?

    I am not sure where you found these sentences, but they look like 19th century attempts to sound 17th century. "yet" in this context is not superfluous; however, rewritten in current English, you would probably say, " Even if I have to eat the leather on the ship's yards, I will still go on and do my work," Magellan answered resolutely

    3) If we rewrite it as:If you look at...., you will see.... Is there any change in meaning? Not really.
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    Re: Some structures need resolving

    Quote Originally Posted by belly_ttt View Post
    3)If you will look at the different pictures of George Washington, you will see how he changed in appearance .....
    So what do the sentence mean when using to will?
    Just to add a note to Anglika's excellent response.

    This is a 'will' of willingness. Normally we don't use 'will' in an if clause, but this asks "Are you willing to ...". It's the same as 'would' but used in situations where the speaker doesn't feel such a need for the degree of politeness found in 'would'. This sounds like a guide in a museum or something of that nature.


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    Re: Some structures need resolving

    Hi, Thanks anglika and riverkid for your help. I found these sentences in a Junior high text book of California states printed 1956, one century ago

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