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    Epistemic modal manner & Deontic modal manner

    Quoting from Riverkid's response to the use of may/might: "This can be used in either an epistemic modal manner or a deontic modal manner so either is possible. 'may' used in the latter fashion, as a deontic denoting an admonishment is a much less likely collocation than 'could' or 'might', hence we have a greater tendency to view it as "a possibility that he died"."
    May I know the meanings of "epistemic modal manner" and "deontic modal manner" in plain English? Thanks.

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    Re: Epistemic modal manner & Deontic modal manner

    That is not a nasty thing, just a questions of terms:

    Modality is a matter of relations:
    between the speaker and the proposition ( the utterance).
    Between the speaker and aco-speaker ( intersubjective relation)

    There are 4 modal manners :
    assertive
    epistemic
    appreciative
    deontic

    As far as epistemic modal manner is concerned, the speaker tries to evaluate the validity of a proposition :Is it likely to happen? Did it happen? ( perhaps, possibly, certainly...)
    may, might, could, can , must... express this epistemic modus. We stand in the field of true and false.
    He may die
    he may have died
    he must have lost his keys...

    Deontic modal manner- to say it plainly , with some distorsion but the gist of it remains- is a matter of relations between a speaker and a co-speaker or with herself/ himself.
    The deontic values are order, permission, wish, suggestion, will....

    you shall stay with us
    You must not step ahead
    you should have told her.

    that might help you ( epistemic value!)


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    Re: Epistemic modal manner & Deontic modal manner

    Good stuff, Chomat!!

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    Re: Epistemic modal manner & Deontic modal manner

    Quote Originally Posted by CHOMAT View Post
    That is not a nasty thing, just a questions of terms:

    Modality is a matter of relations:
    between the speaker and the proposition ( the utterance).
    Between the speaker and aco-speaker ( intersubjective relation)

    There are 4 modal manners :
    assertive
    epistemic
    appreciative
    deontic

    As far as epistemic modal manner is concerned, the speaker tries to evaluate the validity of a proposition :Is it likely to happen? Did it happen? ( perhaps, possibly, certainly...)
    may, might, could, can , must... express this epistemic modus. We stand in the field of true and false.
    He may die
    he may have died
    he must have lost his keys...

    Deontic modal manner- to say it plainly , with some distorsion but the gist of it remains- is a matter of relations between a speaker and a co-speaker or with herself/ himself.
    The deontic values are order, permission, wish, suggestion, will....

    you shall stay with us
    You must not step ahead
    you should have told her.

    that might help you ( epistemic value!)
    As riverkid said it was really great stuff. By the way, could you provide some examples on assertive and appreciative manners as well? Heaps of thanks.

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    Re: Epistemic modal manner & Deontic modal manner

    Pleasure ! If it could help ..

    Here come some examples : The appreciative modal manner is found in sentences structured as such:
    I'm glad that
    It's ridiculous that he should ....
    think that
    It's normal that
    it is advisable that
    Any clause that expresses a judgement , an appreciation upon an event , a fact.


    The assertive modal manner :
    The speaker simply regards( or believes) the proposition as true or false. No comment upon the propositional content . Besides he can ask for someone else's opinion on the validity of a proposition = questions.

    Peter came yesterday.
    Did John come yesterday ?
    Do you like chocolate ? ----> I don't

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