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    Quote Originally Posted by David L. View Post
    In UK and Australia, from adolescence onward, 'mates' is strictly male.
    In the UK, perhaps, but I would not accept that this is true of Australian usage. I'm not a teacher, and I come from the side of the Tasman where having a criminal record was never a requirement for entry, but the use of "mate" to describe a female friend is not uncommon in the Antipodes. A Google search for "she's a mate" returns around 36,000 hits, most from Australia, which did not surprise me. If you mean that word is only used by males, that might be more nearly accurate of Australasian usage, but it definitely not confined to being used of males. Often a guy might use it of a female friend to emphasise the platonic nature of the friendship, or even as a compliment, "she's not just a girl, she's a mate".

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    Yes.
    I agree with "stuartnz".

    I'm a Brit with an "expat" background and would regularly have heard the term "mates" being applied to the fairer sex, but probably almost exclusively by males, as in:

    "Where's your wife?" "Oh, she's gone out with her mates".

    Whilst most of the dictionaries that I have checked tend to favour usage by or about males, the Compact Oxford English Dictionary, accessed via "askoxford.com", didn't specifically orientate it to males [noun 1 Brit. informal a friend or companion].

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    To English speakers American, Australian and Brits alike: so in essence, I wouldn't have scarred those people for life had I referred to them as "mates" or "guys", right?

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    Yes, but don't tell David. Hee hee!

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    To English speakers American, Australian and Brits alike: so in essence, I wouldn't have scarred those people for life had I referred to them as "mates" or "guys", right?

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    You wouldn't have scarred us Kiwis either, except by omitting us like so many tend to do.

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    #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuartnz View Post
    You wouldn't have scarred us Kiwis either, except by omitting us like so many tend to do.
    Kiwis--is it some kind of nickname for some group of people. I thought you're Autralian.

    Pardon my ignorance.

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    wait a minute, are you referring to NZlanders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NearThere View Post
    Kiwis--is it some kind of nickname for some group of people. I thought you're Autralian.

    Pardon my ignorance.

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    wait a minute, are you referring to NZlanders?

    Yes, "Kiwi" with a capital "K" refers to a New Zealander. "kiwi" with a small "k" refers to our national bird, and NZ law requires us to hunt down and kill like a dog anyone who calls a NZer an Australian. You have been warned.

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    #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuartnz View Post
    Yes, "Kiwi" with a capital "K" refers to a New Zealander. "kiwi" with a small "k" refers to our national bird, and NZ law requires us to hunt down and kill like a dog anyone who calls a NZer an Australian. You have been warned.
    Phew, I was close, wasn't I? Guardian angel has been working hard for me.

    Thanks for the explanation. Gee, I thought I knew little, just didn't realize the depth of my know-little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NearThere View Post
    Thanks for the explanation. Gee, I thought I knew little, just didn't realize the depth of my know-little.

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    You're in good company. Here's a great quote on this very subject:

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.
    - Will Durant

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    Wow, stuartz. I just had a quick peak on that site and read some amazing and inspiring quotations. Thanks. I've bookmarked it.

    NT

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