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    #11

    Re: conditional doubts

    Quote Originally Posted by carla guaraldi View Post
    Riverkid, I studied the conditionals and their structures, I've learned that the zero takes present+present, the first takes (if) present+will, the third past+would and the fourth past perfect+would present perfect and then nobody else taught me that I could use are going to+(verb) instead of will as it was mentioned by that person from UK. So can I do that?

    Hi Carla.

    Sure you can do that.

    Why not try to create some more examples to see if you can use it in your own life? When you can use a structure to talk about your own life then you really understand how it's used.

    Here are some other potential uses:

    We have to check out soon if we intend to catch our plane.

    We have to check out soon if we want to catch our plane.

    We have to check out soon if we plan on catching our plane.

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    #12

    Re: conditional doubts

    Hi Riverkid, now I am really lost, because I was taught not to use will in the if clause(in the first conditional). where could I find some more information about this?Thanks so so muuchh


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    #13

    Re: conditional doubts

    Quote Originally Posted by carla guaraldi View Post
    Hi Riverkid, now I am really lost, because I was taught not to use will in the if clause(in the first conditional). where could I find some more information about this?Thanks so so muuchh
    Take a breath, Carla, a deep breath. There, feel better, now. We can fix this thing you know. Just hang in there.

    A great deal of your trouble here is that you seem wedded to these numbered conditionals. They do not represent all of the possibilities that are present in English and if you hold tight to these patterns without letting your mind see the meanings then you're always going to be confused.

    Generally, we do not use 'will' in the 'if' clause but it's not because some grammar rules tell us we can't, it's because of meaning. When we DO use 'will' in the if/when clause, it holds another meaning. That's why we don't normally use it.

    1a. When you go to the store, ...

    1b.. When you [finally] will go to the store, ...

    2a. If you go to the store ...

    2b. If you will go to the store ...

    In 1b and 2b, 'will' holds a different meaning of 'will', this one of 'willingness', as in,

    When you're willing to go to the store, ...

    If you're willing to go to the store, ...

    Don't make the mistake of locking yourself into what are at best, rough guidelines for language. The first/second/third conditionals change form when we want to express certain meanings. They do not and can not describe all the potential uses of conditionals.

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    #14

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    Hi Riverkid,
    I can not say how much thankful Iam, I really appreciate that, Thank you very much.

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    #15

    Re: conditional doubts

    Quote Originally Posted by carla guaraldi View Post
    Hi Riverkid,
    I can not say how much thankful Iam, I really appreciate that, Thank you very much.
    and I would love to know how to espress these "certain meanings "you've talked about.
    Have a nice day Riverkid, It has been very nice talking to you

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