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    when and that, response

    Dear teachers,

    I have two questions to ask:

    No.1
    His theory seemed hard to believe at the time__________.
    a. when he first introduced b. that he first introduced it
    c. he first introduced d. which he first introduced it

    c and d are obviously wrong.
    "b" is not correct because "when should follow" time. "a" is correct but it does have "it". I am confused. Could you please explain to me which is correct?

    No.2
    I am getting married!
    a. Many happy returns b. Congratulations
    "b" is correct. Is that right?

    Looking forward to hearing from you.
    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiang View Post
    Dear teachers,

    I have two questions to ask:

    No.1
    His theory seemed hard to believe at the time__________.
    a. when he first introduced b. that he first introduced it
    c. he first introduced d. which he first introduced it
    in this case that = when

    No.2
    I am getting married!
    a. Many happy returns b. Congratulations
    "b" is correct. Is that right?

    Looking forward to hearing from you.
    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang

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    Re: when and that, response

    Two small additions: although (a) is obviously wrong, lacking an 'it', and although (b) is logically better than 'when he first introduced it', I hear native speakers commonly using 'when'. I don't applaud it, but it happens! Also, sticklers for old-style etiquette would say that the 'proper' response to an announcement of an impending marriage is 'Congratulations' if the announcer is a man, and 'Felicitations' if the announcer is a woman. I imagine the (sexist) thinking behind this convention - which, thankfully, is now almost moribund - is that the appropriate response to a man is '[Lucky chap, you are to be congratulated on landing such a prize.] Congratulations' and to a woman is '[Oh dear - he's really not worthy; but I hope you'll be happy anyway.] Felicitations.' (I'm not saying that people who observe this convention actually do think like that, but just that that sort of thinking was probably behind the genesis of the convention, now lost in the mists of time.)

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    Re: when and that, response

    Dear engee30,

    Thank you very much for your help. Now I see.

    Jiang
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    Re: when and that, response

    Dear BobK,

    Thank you very much for your explanation. Until I read your explanation I had always thought that the standard English should be "when he first introduced it" because "when" should follow words that suggest time. Now I know "that" is the correct usage.

    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Two small additions: although (a) is obviously wrong, lacking an 'it', and although (b) is logically better than 'when he first introduced it', I hear native speakers commonly using 'when'. I don't applaud it, but it happens! Also, sticklers for old-style etiquette would say that the 'proper' response to an announcement of an impending marriage is 'Congratulations' if the announcer is a man, and 'Felicitations' if the announcer is a woman. I imagine the (sexist) thinking behind this convention - which, thankfully, is now almost moribund - is that the appropriate response to a man is '[Lucky chap, you are to be congratulated on landing such a prize.] Congratulations' and to a woman is '[Oh dear - he's really not worthy; but I hope you'll be happy anyway.] Felicitations.' (I'm not saying that people who observe this convention actually do think like that, but just that that sort of thinking was probably behind the genesis of the convention, now lost in the mists of time.)

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