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I heard this expression quite often on the news, but never managed to make out whether it's "the" or "a". Is it:
"beyond the shadow of the doubt",
"beyond the shadow of a doubt",
"beyond a shadow of the doubt",
"beyond a shadow of a doubt", or
"beyond shadow of a/the doubt"
Thanks a lot
"beyond the shadow of a doubt" is grammatically correct
Hi, while "Beyond the shadow of a doubt" is grammatically correct, the more usual form for this expression (in England) is "Beyond a shadow of a doubt"
Thank you all. I just have a few more questions.
Stuart, why is it most natural to your ear? Is there a rule to this?but this is the version [beyond a shadow of a doubt] that sounds most natural to me, and is what is used here in NZ
If it's grammatically correct, does it also mean the "most natural version" is not? And if this is grammaticallly correct, how come it's not the choice version?beyond the shadow of a doubt" is grammatically correct
I'm just trying to get the hang of it so next time a similiar phrase comes up, I'd know which is which. Thanks a lot.
just a thought & hv not applied any rule. normally people use both the forms
1) beyond a shadow of a doubt
2) beyond the shadow of a doubt
can u send me the rules??
I'm not aware of any grammatical rules that apply and was just interested if you'd found one.
The reason I asked was because you appeared authoritive that your version was the grammatically correct one (having not declared whether you are a teacher or native English speaker) and assumed you had found a rule.
Be mindful of the effect of making statements (that you can't back up with the authority of a teacher, via rules or as a native English speaker), on other readers of these posts, who are constantly looking for very definitive/authoritive guidelines.
If expressing your preference or your belief on a particular topic, on "Ask a teacher", you should always try to remember to add "not as a teacher" in your text, unless you are replying to someone you regularly reply to and have previously declared your status.
No problem, just thoughts for future posts.
Keep up the posting!
Both forms are grammatically correct, it's just that "the shadow of a doubt" implies a shadow in particular, whila "a shadow of a doubt" means any shadow; which is more in keeping, in my view, with the spirit of the expression and is therefore the most widely used.
thanks for ur suggestions.... what i read & thought, based on that i had mentioned that as an grammatically correct. in future, i will reply with "not as a teacher"