Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 20

    • Join Date: Apr 2008
    • Posts: 1,571
    #1

    concord

    It is I who am responsible for it. - It is me that is responsible for it.

    It is they who are responsible for it. - It is them ...???

    Could you finish the last sentence, please.

  1. Soup's Avatar
    VIP Member
    English Teacher
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • Canada
      • Current Location:
      • China

    • Join Date: Sep 2007
    • Posts: 5,882
    #2

    Re: concord

    Hold on. Why 'me that'?



    • Join Date: Apr 2008
    • Posts: 1,571
    #3

    Re: concord

    It's me that's responsible. (informal English)
    from 'How English Works' by Michael Swan & Catherine Walter (p.234)

  2. Soup's Avatar
    VIP Member
    English Teacher
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • Canada
      • Current Location:
      • China

    • Join Date: Sep 2007
    • Posts: 5,882
    #4

    Re: concord

    So, if it's 'me that', then the pattern follows 'them that'? But it doesn't sound natural/common, at least to me.

    To be honest, when I read the sentence, my first thought was to say 'them who'.

    Doesn't 'them who' sound more natural/common than 'them that'?

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • Hong Kong
      • Current Location:
      • Hong Kong

    • Join Date: May 2007
    • Posts: 845
    #5

    Re: concord

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    It's me that's responsible. (informal English)
    from 'How English Works' by Michael Swan & Catherine Walter (p.234)
    Actually, you've got it.
    "It's me (who)..."is an informal way of speaking.
    "It's I who..."is a formal one.

    (NAT=Not a teacher)


    • Join Date: Apr 2008
    • Posts: 1,571
    #6

    Re: concord

    I'm afraid here we deal with another difference between BrE and AmE. Probably, 'It's me that is responsible' is a British pattern. We need somebody who speaks BrE to say whether it would be natural for them to say 'It is them that are/is(?) responsible'.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Romanian
      • Home Country:
      • Romania
      • Current Location:
      • Romania

    • Join Date: Aug 2006
    • Posts: 1,948
    #7

    Re: concord

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    It is I who am responsible for it. - It is me that is responsible for it.

    It is they who are responsible for it. - It is them ...???

    Could you finish the last sentence, please.
    It is I who... - subject of the sentence: I
    It is they who.... - subject of the sentence : they

  3. Soup's Avatar
    VIP Member
    English Teacher
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • Canada
      • Current Location:
      • China

    • Join Date: Sep 2007
    • Posts: 5,882
    #8

    Re: concord

    Quote Originally Posted by Teia View Post
    It is I who... - subject of the sentence: I
    It is they who.... - subject of the sentence : they
    But aren't we talking about what speakers actually say, not what they are prescribed to say?

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Romanian
      • Home Country:
      • Romania
      • Current Location:
      • Romania

    • Join Date: Aug 2006
    • Posts: 1,948
    #9

    Re: concord

    This is called a predicate nominative, and in the sentence, "It is I," there are two of them. "It" is a subject, and "I" is a subject. They are set equal to each other with the verb "to be." In the old days people would say, "It is I, King Walrus of the Southwood..." Remember Shakespeare.

    The nominative case should be used with "to be" and not the accusative case.

    The same with other languages:

    Sono io [ not me]- Italian
    Das bin Ich [ not mich]- German
    Sunt eu - Romanian

    However, I agree that it`s me is more common [shall I say commoner?]than it`s I.

  4. Soup's Avatar
    VIP Member
    English Teacher
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • Canada
      • Current Location:
      • China

    • Join Date: Sep 2007
    • Posts: 5,882
    #10

    Re: concord

    Quote Originally Posted by Teia View Post
    However, I agree that it`s me is more common [shall I say commoner?]than it`s I.
    I wonder if that's because "It's I" sounds ... pompous? I mean, what other reason would there be for speakers to disregard, ahem rather, change the language so?

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Grammar Queries: Subject-Predicate Concord
    By ksquarek@vsnl.net in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 18-Sep-2005, 11:38
  2. what is concord
    By Unregistered in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 21-Nov-2004, 10:15
  3. meaning of concord in english grammer
    By Anonymous in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 14-Oct-2004, 11:29
  4. what is concord in english
    By Anonymous in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 26-Sep-2004, 18:03

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •