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    the negative pattern of 'used to'

    Hi, everyone.

    Does "usedn't to" mean "never" or "not frequently"? Take the following sentence for example:
    He usedn't to go there.
    Dose this sentence means "he never went there" or "he didn't go there frequently"?

    Thanks in advance.

    Enydia

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    Re: the negative pattern of 'used to'

    Quote Originally Posted by enydia View Post
    Hi, everyone.

    Does "usedn't to" mean "never" or "not frequently"? Take the following sentence for example:
    He usedn't to go there.
    Dose this sentence means "he never went there" or "he didn't go there frequently"?It means he did not have a habit to go there. He did not have a habit to do it often and regularly in the past.

    Thanks in advance.

    Enydia
    I used to go...
    I did not use to go...
    We do not say : Usedn' t.

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    Re: the negative pattern of 'used to'

    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    I used to go...
    I did not use to go...
    We do not say : Usedn' t.
    Hi, banderas.

    Thank you for your reply.

    The following information is from OLAD entry for "used":
    The following negative and question patterns are old-fashioned or very formal : I usedn't to like her. Used you to go there? There used to be a cinema here, use(d)n't there? Most people now use patterns with did, especially when speaking or writing informally : I didn't use to like her. Did you use to go there? There used to be a cinema here, didn't there?

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    Re: the negative pattern of 'used to'

    Used to
    Negative-used not to---I used not to think so .Did not use to -incorrect.
    Didn't you use to live in Bangalore?correct

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    Re: the negative pattern of 'used to'

    Quote Originally Posted by enydia View Post
    Hi, banderas.

    Thank you for your reply.


    The following information is from OLAD entry for "used":
    The following negative and question patterns are old-fashioned or very formal : I usedn't to like her. Used you to go there? There used to be a cinema here, use(d)n't there? Most people now use patterns with did, especially when speaking or writing informally : I didn't use to like her. Did you use to go there? There used to be a cinema here, didn't there?

    If you would like to sound old-fashioned or very formal, feel free to to say "usedn't". I personally see it as a mistake and suggest that you use the usual way of making used to negative with didn't. I believe most people do so.


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    Re: the negative pattern of 'used to'

    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    If you would like to sound old-fashioned or very formal, feel free to to say "usedn't". I personally see it as a mistake and suggest that you use the usual way of making used to negative with didn't. I believe most people do so.
    I agree Banderas, though I mightn't go so far as to call 'usedn't to' (or 'used not to' for that matter)a mistake yet. In a few decades' time it may be considered a mistake but so far I'd say it's still acceptable even though, as you say, it sounds old-fashioned or (for 'used not to' in any case)very formal.

    I think in formal written English "used not to" (not 'usedn't to') still prevails.


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    Re: the negative pattern of 'used to'

    Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

    <used to>
    Meaning:

    [modal verb] —used to say that something existed or repeatedly happened in the past but does not exist or happen now
    ▪ We used to go out more often. [=in the past we went out more often]
    ▪ He never used to smoke. [=he never smoked in the past]
    ▪ My grandmother said winters used to be harder here.
    ▪ (Brit, old-fashioned) You used not to smoke, did you?

    usage
    Used to is usually used in the form use to when it occurs with did.
    ▪ Did you use to work there? [=did you work there in the past?]
    ▪ It didn't use to be like that.
    ▪ He didn't use to smoke.

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    Re: the negative pattern of 'used to'

    Quote Originally Posted by enydia View Post
    Hi, everyone.

    Does "usedn't to" mean "never" or "not frequently"? Take the following sentence for example:
    He usedn't to go there.
    Dose this sentence means "he never went there" or "he didn't go there frequently"?

    Thanks in advance.

    Enydia
    Usedn't to is spectacularly old-fashioned (virtually archaic) British English for, now formal, used not to, or, more popular, didn't use to. It means, as they do, 'it was not (my) habit to...' - denying frequency of action, but not denying the action altogether.

    Note, incidentally, that *didn't used to is a commonly encountered solecism.

    Philo

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    Re: the negative pattern of 'used to'

    Quote Originally Posted by philo2009 View Post
    Usedn't to is spectacularly old-fashioned (virtually archaic) British English for, now formal, used not to, or, more popular, didn't use to. It means, as they do, 'it was not (my) habit to...' - denying frequency of action, but not denying the action altogether.

    Note, incidentally, that *didn't used to is a commonly encountered solecism.

    Philo
    'Usedn't to' is still in common use in India and in Ireland.


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    Re: the negative pattern of 'used to'

    Quote Originally Posted by philo2009 View Post
    Usedn't to is spectacularly old-fashioned (virtually archaic) British English for, now formal, used not to, or, more popular, didn't use to. It means, as they do, 'it was not (my) habit to...' - denying frequency of action, but not denying the action altogether.

    Note, incidentally, that *didn't used to is a commonly encountered solecism.

    Philo
    Do you recommend "didn't used to" to non-native speakers?

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