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    be seen to be done

    Hello,
    I have a question about the following oft-quoted sentence.
    Justice must not only be done, it must also be seen to be done.
    Can I leave out "to"? If you say I saw him go home (without "to"), why should you say it must be seen to be done? Does it make it sound more formal/old fashioned?
    Thank you


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    Re: be seen to be done

    Quote Originally Posted by Englishlanguage View Post
    Hello,
    I have a question about the following oft-quoted sentence.
    Justice must not only be done, it must also be seen to be done.
    Can I leave out "to"? If you say I saw him go home (without "to"), why should you say it must be seen to be done? Does it make it sound more formal/old fashioned?
    Thank you
    No, you can't leave out "to" in the first sentence. This is because the first part is in the passive ("it must also be seen ..."). It's only when the first part is in the active that you don't have "to":

    They saw him cross the street. (active)
    He was seen to cross the street (passive)


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    Re: be seen to be done

    Quote Originally Posted by naomimalan View Post
    No, you can't leave out "to" in the first sentence. This is because the first part is in the passive ("it must also be seen ..."). It's only when the first part is in the active that you don't have "to":

    They saw him cross the street. (active)
    He was seen to cross the street (passive)
    Thank you so much.
    Does this rule apply to other similar verbs such as notice, view, watch etc?

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    #4

    Re: be seen to be done

    Quote Originally Posted by Englishlanguage View Post
    Hello,
    If you say I saw him go home (without "to"), why should you say it must be seen to be done? Does it make it sound more formal/old fashioned?
    Thank you
    Another thing is that we don't say '(go)(come) to home'. (nor do we say 'go to there' or 'come to here')
    But we do say 'come to my home', 'go to your home', etc.


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    Re: be seen to be done

    Quote Originally Posted by Englishlanguage View Post
    Thank you so much.
    Does this rule apply to other similar verbs such as notice, view, watch etc?
    Not with the verbs you mention but I can think of a few where this rule would apply (always with the past participle form when it's in the passive): said, thought, believed, considered..
    He is (was)said (thought, believed, considered..) to be a genious.

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