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    the present and past tense of subjunctive II

    Dear teachers,


    Would you kind enough explain to me the logical metamorphose in the following sentences?


    1.1. I wish he came.
    1.2. I wish he had come.


    2.1. I wish it did not rain to-night.
    2.2. I wish it had not rained that night.


    Thank you in advance for your efforts.


    Regards.


    V.


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    Re: the present and past tense of subjunctive II

    Quote Originally Posted by vil View Post
    Dear teachers,

    Would you kind enough explain to me the logical metamorphose in the following sentences?


    1.1. I wish he came.
    1.2. I wish he had come.


    2.1. I wish it did not rain to-night.
    2.2. I wish it had not rained that night.


    Thank you in advance for your efforts.


    Regards.


    V.
    Hey Vil.

    Since these are clear counterfactuals or at least, attempts at such, you should be able to state what the actual fact situations are. I think that's what you're looking for, is it not?

    If I were/was you --> I'm not you

    If I had gone to London --> I didn't go to London

    If i lived in Paris --> I don't live in Paris

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    Re: the present and past tense of subjunctive II

    Hi riverkid,

    Thank you for the splendid opportunity of learning a new for me word namely “counterfactual”.

    counterfactual = running contrary to the facts as in:

    “Cold war historiography vividly illustrates how the selection of the counterfactual question to be asked generally anticipates the desired answer”

    But yet I keep on hoping that I will be able some day to get to the bottom of some knotty questions which are on the tip of my long tongue.
    For example, I couldn’t understand the following mistification. On the one hand, there is an interpretation in my natural language in the sense that “it is a good thing that…” for the sentences 1.1. ; 2.1 and on the other hand, there is another interpretation in the sense “it is pity that…” for the sentences 1.2.; 2.2. By the way, if it is not too much trouble for you, would you be so kind to revise that clumsy and ungainly sentence.(the last one from the present post)

    Regards.

    V.
    Last edited by vil; 23-May-2008 at 06:53.

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    Re: the present and past tense of subjunctive II

    Quote Originally Posted by vil View Post
    Dear teachers,


    Would you kind enough explain to me the logical metamorphose in the following sentences?


    1.1. I wish he came.
    1.2. I wish he had come.


    2.1. I wish it did not rain to-night.
    2.2. I wish it had not rained that night.


    Thank you in advance for your efforts.


    Regards.


    V.
    Dear teachers,


    Would you kind enough explain to me the logical metamorphose in the following sentences?


    1.1. I wish he came.
    1.2. I wish he had come.


    2.1. I wish it did not rain to-night.
    2.2. I wish it had not rained that night.


    Thank you in advance for your efforts.


    Regards.


    V.
    I wish he had come -past perfect is used to express regret about past actions.

    Here 'he didn't come '-regret.
    I wish he came.-to express unlikely or improbable actions.
    Here you are sure he wo'nt come .
    Last edited by rj1948; 23-May-2008 at 08:52.

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    Re: the present and past tense of subjunctive II

    Hi rj1948,

    Thank you for your helpful reply as well as for your empathy.

    I know that rule concerning the usage of the past perfect (I had done) after "wish" in order to say that you regret something that happened or didn't happen in the past. I am in torments about that unexplainable for me modifiction of the meaning of the whole sentence .

    One way or another the matter is very simple:

    I wish I had known that Ann was sick. I would have gone to see her. ( I didn't know that she was sick.)
    I feel sick. I wish I hadn't eaten so much. (I ate too much.)

    I wish it didn't rain so much in this city. (It rains a lot)

    I wish it (not to rain) to-night.
    I wish it did not rain to-night. (It is good thing that the rain kept off to-night.)

    I wish it (not to rain) that night, my shoes were ruined.
    I wish it had not rained that night. (It is a pity that we were cught in the rain that night.)

    I get in difficult position by the translation from English into Bulgarian.

    Thank you again for your kindness.

    Regards.

    V.
    Last edited by vil; 24-May-2008 at 07:39.


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    Re: the present and past tense of subjunctive II

    Quote Originally Posted by vil View Post
    Dear teachers,


    Would you kind enough explain to me the logical metamorphose in the following sentences?


    1.1. I wish he came.

    Could be a reference to a past event as some speakers for some situations will forgo the past perfect form and use the past simple form. Or it could be a counterfactual expression to, for example, "he doesn't come to my place/house anymore".

    1.2. I wish he had come.

    Sounds like an expression of regret that he didn't come one time.

    2.1. I wish it did not rain to-night.

    This sounds a bit odd as it's not a clear counterfactual and it would be more idiomatic, IMO, to be expressed as,

    I hope it doesn't rain tonight.


    2.2. I wish it had not rained that night.

    Sounds like an expression of regret about an event that did occur.

    Thank you in advance for your efforts.


    Regards.


    V.
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    Re: the present and past tense of subjunctive II

    Do not we say "I wish he would come" instead "I wish he came."?


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    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    Do [not] we not say "I wish he would come" instead "I wish he came."?
    I agree that the short form "I wish he came." sounds a bit odd, though it's certainly possible with the right context in place, but these,

    I wish he came here more often. OR I wish he came more frequently. ,

    would be as natural as using a 'would' form.

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    Hi Riverkid,

    Thank you for your very thorough explanation and very helpful directions.

    Regards.

    V.

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