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    #1

    A question ????????

    I WANT TO ASK YOU
    WHEN WE CAN DELETE POSSESSIVE ('S) ?
    AND I WANT TO ASK IF WE CAN SAY ( THE KITCHEN WINDOW )
    INSTEAD OF (THE kitchen's window)

    and thanks a lot

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    #2

    Re: A question ????????

    I'm not a teacher.

    May I suggest you refrain from using blocks letters as it is akin to shouting in internet language.

    Please say 'I would like to ask' rather than 'I want to ask' which is considered rude.

    Yes, you can say 'the kitchen window' or 'the window of the kitchen', but not the kitchen's window(object's object) or the bathroom's door.

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    #3

    Re: A question ????????

    Quote Originally Posted by tedtmc View Post
    I'm not a teacher.

    May I suggest you refrain from using blocks letters as it is akin to shouting in internet language.

    Please say 'I would like to ask' rather than 'I want to ask' which is considered rude.

    Yes, you can say 'the kitchen window' or 'the window of the kitchen', but not the kitchen's window(object's object) or the bathroom's door.
    Hi, tedtmc.
    I don't think 'I want to ask' is rude, but 'I'd like to ask' sounds polite. Capital letters on the internet are indeed considered the equivalent of raising your voice. But... I think the poster(dectator) just wanted to put some emphasis on his/her question.

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    #4

    Re: A question ????????

    tedtmc is right. Objects don't have possesions but only humans so never say "today's lecture, sun's rays, PSP's box, etc.". Use "object of the object".

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    #5

    Re: A question ????????

    Quote Originally Posted by paochai01 View Post
    tedtmc is right. Objects don't have possesions but only humans so never say "today's lecture, sun's rays, PSP's box, etc.". Use "object of the object".
    True, but time expressions, organizations and periods of time use 's. Nothing wrong in:
    "today's newspaper", "Monday's...." etc.

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    #6

    Re: A question ????????

    Surely I am not the only native speaker who finds this rule about never using object's object over-applied.

    There are absolutely times when you can use the possessive for a non-human element.

    The building's main entrance is closed, so I'll meet you at the side door.
    This summer will be my town's 250th anniversary.
    Look at this table - I like it better. See, the legs on that table are plain and blocky, but this table's legs are carved and pretty.

    I understand that learners learn a rule and THEN learn the exceptions, but this strong empahasis on NEVER using the 's for an object is not, in my opinion, a reflection of the actual use of the lanague.

    [not a teacher]

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    #7

    Re: A question ????????

    Quote Originally Posted by paochai01 View Post
    tedtmc is right. Objects don't have possesions but only humans so never say "today's lecture, sun's rays, PSP's box, etc.". Use "object of the object".
    I think you are not right, i can easily use objects for possesive nouns and not only living being. I can give a dozen of examples: "Today's performance" "the world's biggest castle" etc.
    Its not so common, though.


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    Re: A question ????????

    Quote Originally Posted by jirikoo View Post
    I think you are not right, i can easily use objects for possesive nouns and not only living being. I can give a dozen of examples: "Today's performance" "the world's biggest castle" etc.
    Its not so common, though.

    In my part of the world, it is extremely common. I agree with Barb. There is too much emphasis on this "rule".


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    Re: A question ????????

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Capital letters on the internet are indeed considered the equivalent of raising your voice. But... I think the poster(dectator) just wanted to put some emphasis on his/her question.
    In my humble opinion, writing whole posts in capital letter looks like shouting and should be avoided at all costs. There are many ways to emphasize, to highlight and to remark questions in a more eye catching and kind way.

    No pun intended, mates.
    Last edited by Kraken; 30-May-2008 at 19:27. Reason: typo

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