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    Question confirm this pls....

    Is this sentence correct?

    If you will drive too fast, the police will catch you.

    can we use will right after If??as far as I know,we use the present tense right after the conditional If..How can this be possible?


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    Re: confirm this pls....

    Quote Originally Posted by ongetz View Post
    Is this sentence correct?

    If you will drive too fast, the police will catch you.

    can we use will right after If??as far as I know,we use the present tense right after the conditional If..How can this be possible?
    You are right, in this sentence it's impossible.

    However sometimes 'will' is used in an if-clause in the meaning of consent.
    e.g. If you will excuse me ...'
    If you will help us, it will be great.

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    Re: confirm this pls....

    Quote Originally Posted by ongetz View Post
    Is this sentence correct?

    If you will drive too fast, the police will catch you.

    can we use will right after If??as far as I know,we use the present tense right after the conditional If..How can this be possible?
    If we are talking about future results rather than conditions, an if - will clause is used. Ask yourself what your example refers to? A condition or a future result?


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    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    If we are talking about future results rather than conditions, an if - will clause is used. Ask yourself what your example refers to? A condition or a future result?
    Banderas, I'm very interested. Could you give an example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    Banderas, I'm very interested. Could you give an example?
    Sure.
    If (you think) it will save our marriage, I'll try to give up drinking.

    I'll help to pay the course fees, if that will persuade you to apply to university.

    Take the whole of next week off, if that will help you to recover.

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    Re: confirm this pls....

    Quote Originally Posted by ongetz View Post
    Is this sentence correct?

    If you will drive too fast, the police will catch you.

    can we use will right after If??as far as I know,we use the present tense right after the conditional If..How can this be possible?
    Hello, everybody.

    I'll give you some information from a book called Practical English Usage- Second Edition (Michael Swan). On page 247 it says :

    Stressed will can also be used after if when it expresses the idea of insistence.

    If you will get drunk every night, it's not surprising you feel ill.
    (=If you insist on getting drunk....)
    I hope it will be a great help to you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    If you will get drunk every night, it's not surprising you feel ill.
    (=If you insist on getting drunk....)[/INDENT]
    Tzfujimino, is it 'insist (on)' or 'persist (in)'?

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    Re: confirm this pls....

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Hello, everybody.

    I'll give you some information from a book called Practical English Usage- Second Edition (Michael Swan). On page 247 it says :
    Stressed will can also be used after if when it expresses the idea of insistence.

    If you will get drunk every night, it's not surprising you feel ill.
    (=If you insist on getting drunk....)
    I hope it will be a great help to you.
    You are absolutely correct, there are many more examples of this;
    "If you will... then this will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Hello, everybody.

    I'll give you some information from a book called Practical English Usage- Second Edition (Michael Swan). On page 247 it says :

    Stressed will can also be used after if when it expresses the idea of insistence.

    If you will get drunk every night, it's not surprising you feel ill.
    (=If you insist on getting drunk....)
    I hope it will be a great help to you.
    It is, Tzfujimino!

    Similarly, the negative of will in the if-clause has the same meaning as refuse to.

    If she won't come to Sardinia with us, there's nothing we can do to make her.

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    Re: confirm this pls....

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    Tzfujimino, is it 'insist (on)' or 'persist (in)'?
    Well...
    I can't really tell the difference between "insist" and "persist", so I might not be the one you should ask.But it(Practical English Usage) says, "insist on...," as I've shown above. Please wait for other native speakers to resopond to your question.

    Ah, I've found another one...on page 249 it says :

    We use if...will when we are talking about later results rather than conditions. Compare :

    I'll give you £100 if you stop smoking.(Stopping smoking is a condition of getting money - it must happen first.)

    I'll give you £100 if it'll help you to go on holiday.(This help is a result - it follows the gift of money.)


    It's a little difficult for me to understand, but it's the very point that Banderas has made earlier.

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