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    what can follow "more and more women THAN"

    Do you accept them?

    (1) Now, more and more women than ever (before) go to college.
    (2) Now, more and more women than thirty years ago go to college.
    (3) Now, more and more women than you can imagine go to college.

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    Re: what can follow "more and more women THAN"

    Quote Originally Posted by Seiichi MYOGA View Post
    Do you accept them?

    (1) Now, more and more women than ever (before) go to college.
    (2) Now, more and more women than thirty years ago go to college.
    (3) Now, more and more women than you can imagine go to college.

    Thank you in advance
    Seiichi MYOGA
    (2) sounds a bit odd, Seiichi. What's the purpose of being so specific? What's so important about 1978?

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    Re: what can follow "more and more women THAN"

    "Now, more women than ever go to college" requires no explanation.
    the others might make sense to me in some kind of context.

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    Re: what can follow "more and more women THAN"

    Quote Originally Posted by Seiichi MYOGA View Post
    Do you accept them?

    (1) Now, more and more women than ever (before) go to college.
    (2) Now, more and more women than thirty years ago go to college.
    (3) Now, more and more women than you can imagine go to college.

    Thank you in advance
    Seiichi MYOGA
    I think none of the sentences need "more and". And I agree that (2) can be improved to read '(Now) more woman go to college than thirty years ago.'

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    Dear riverkid, RonBee and 2006,

    I appreciate your help and comments.

    Could I ask one more thing for this thread?

    Now do you think (1a) works when we add something as in (4)?

    (4) Now, more and more women than ever (before) go to college. That's more than people my grandmother's age could imagine.

    Seiichi MYOGA

    I had wondered to what degree "more and more" was a comparative construction:a mere idiomatic expression or not.
    Through Google search, I found something similar to (1a) (, although I was not sure how acceptable they were).
    Considering "Today, an increasing number of women go to college." is a paraphrase of "Today, more and more women [go/are going] to college.", (1a) should mean an ongoing situation without any specific reference to when it started. So therefore (1b) would be wrong. That's what I had thought.
    I added (1c) at the last minute to see the general nature of "more and more."

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    Re: what can follow "more and more women THAN"

    "more and more" should only be used to denote a progressive increase over a period of time. So, to me, it makes no sense to say '(Now)(Today) more and more women go to college.'

    It does make sense to say '(Now)(Today) more women go to college than ever before.'

    It also makes sense to say, 'In the last thirty years, more and more women have gone to college.'
    This means that over the last thirty years, there has been a progressive increase in the number of women going to college.

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    Re: what can follow "more and more women THAN"

    Dear 2006,

    I appreciate your help and comments.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    So, to me, it makes no sense to say '(Now)(Today) more and more women go to college.'
    Actually, "now/today" may be used to show there is a comparison with something preceding.

    (i) Once the mark of the hard man, now more and more women are getting tattoos. (Guardian Unlimited)

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    Re: what can follow "more and more women THAN"

    Quote Originally Posted by Seiichi MYOGA View Post
    Dear 2006,

    I appreciate your help and comments.



    Actually, "now/today" may be used to show there is a comparison with something preceding. Yes of course, but I wouldn't use "more and more" with "now". "now" means at the present time, so it is illogical to use it with "more and more".

    (i) Once the mark of the hard man, now more and more women are getting tattoos. (Guardian Unlimited)

    I don't care who said that; I wouldn't.


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    Last edited by 2006; 23-Jun-2008 at 22:12. Reason: correct "quotation mark" problem

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    Re: what can follow "more and more women THAN"

    Quote Originally Posted by Seiichi MYOGA View Post
    Dear riverkid, RonBee and 2006,

    I appreciate your help and comments.

    Could I ask one more thing for this thread?

    Now do you think (1a) works when we add something as in (4)?

    (4) Now, more and more women than ever (before) go to college. That's more than people my grandmother's age could imagine.

    Seiichi MYOGA

    I had wondered to what degree "more and more" was a comparative construction:a mere idiomatic expression or not.
    Through Google search, I found something similar to (1a) (, although I was not sure how acceptable they were).
    Considering "Today, an increasing number of women go to college." is a paraphrase of "Today, more and more women [go/are going] to college.", (1a) should mean an ongoing situation without any specific reference to when it started. So therefore (1b) would be wrong. That's what I had thought.
    I added (1c) at the last minute to see the general nature of "more and more."
    I know those numbers refer to sentences, but that is all I can be sure of. You can't reasonably expect me to remember those sentences word for word. (I can't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday. ) Instead, you should have reposted the sentences you wanted to discuss.

    I agree with 2006 about "Today, more and more". That doesn't work for me. What you can say (with my blessing) is: "Today, more women than ever are going to college.


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