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    in order to


    I am making arrangements in order to visit you next summer.

    I am making arrangements to visit you next summer.


    The expression ''in order to'' seems to be optional in most of the cases. Is it true? Can I really omit it without damaging the meaning of the sentence?
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    Re: in order to

    I am making arrangements in order to visit you next summer.

    I am making arrangements to visit you next summer.

    'Arrangement to visit' definitely sounds better than ' arrangement in order to visit'.

    There are cases in which 'in order to' may be appropriate in a sentence. E.g.

    In order to meet the sales target, the company is offering generous discounts to its customers.


    The expression ''in order to'' seems to be optional in most of the cases. Is it true? Yes, it is optional in most cases and is better to be omitted in some cases.

    Can I really omit it without damaging(changing/altering) the meaning of the sentence?
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    Re: in order to

    Quote Originally Posted by tedtmc View Post
    I am making arrangements in order to visit you next summer.

    I am making arrangements to visit you next summer.

    'Arrangement to visit' definitely sounds better than ' arrangement in order to visit'.

    There are cases in which 'in order to' may be appropriate in a sentence. E.g.

    In order to meet the sales target, the company is offering generous discounts to its customers.




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    Thanks.
    Would it be ok to say ''
    The company is offering generous discounts to its customers, to meet the sales target''? It seems that there's something missing, right?
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    Re: in order to

    Yes, I think the sentence sounds better with 'in order to', which serves as a breather in a longer sentence.

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    Re: in order to

    Quote Originally Posted by jctgf View Post

    I am making arrangements in order to visit you next summer.

    I am making arrangements to visit you next summer.


    The expression ''in order to'' seems to be optional in most of the cases. Is it true? Can I really omit it without damaging the meaning of the sentence?
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    I'm sorry but no one sounds good to me.

    I am making arrangements so as to find a solution to visit you next summer.

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    Re: in order to

    I am making arrangements so as to find a solution to visit you next summer.
    Find a solution to visit you? That sounds even stranger to me.
    in order to = so as to - optional

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    Re: in order to

    Without to find a solution I would say

    I am going to go to visit you next summer.

    (why to say I am making arrangements?
    If I have been making arrangements so as to visit you next summer there must be some dificulties on the way to do it.
    This is what I thought.

    In addition there is a slight difference between in order to and so as to in meaning. Very slight one I think. Might be, I am wrong about that.
    But it's very hard to feel the difference if any. (for me too)

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    Re: in order to

    Quote Originally Posted by e2e4 View Post
    Without to find a solution I would say

    I am going to go to visit you next summer.

    (why to say I am making arrangements?
    If I have been making arrangements so as to visit you next summer there must be some difficulties on the way to do it.
    This is what I thought.

    In addition there is a slight difference between in order to and so as to in meaning. Very slight one I think. Might be, I am wrong about that.
    But it's very hard to feel the difference if any. (for me too)
    Thanks a lot.
    Yes, "making arrangements" really conveys the idea that it's difficult for one to visit someone else next summer. Maybe the subject is short of money or have a lot of work to be done before having a free time to take a trip. The question, however, is concerning the usage of "in order to". Do you think this expression can be optional frequently? What's your opinion, please?
    Thanks a lot again.

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    Re: in order to

    I've found in a book I am in love with not exactly for it was written a long time ago but for it contains a lot of jewels that are given in there by the easiest possible way, to help us (learners) to go straight on to proper English but taking much easier way than going alone trough a forest. (It doesn't mean I always understood the matter properly. Also there is always a component of about how do I feel the matter for this isn't mathematics.)

    In order/so as are chiefly used in the sentences of purpose but in this way if possible

    In order + infinitive for sentences in which the subject wants to perform the action.

    So as + infinitive in which the action is wanted by the subject, to happen.

    Anyway it is very hard actually to distinguish the way for us, learners from abroad.

    At that very moment, I put my choice at so as in the sentence

    I am making arrangements so as to find a solution to visit you next summer.

    Using so as I pointed to my wish to visit you, despite the possible problems you've counted up, as you could be my child, good friend or so.

    Saying I am making arrangements in order to find solution to visit you next summer would mean for me that it is an action which was going to be done by me to make some time to visit lets say business partner's company or so.


    In many other sentences the words in order / so as could be left out of a sentence but not always.

    He went to Bosnia to make a business there.
    I sent him to Bosnia in order to settle up our office there and not ( in order~elipsis) to looking for a girls as well!
    In the last one in order can not be either omitied or even though replaced by so as, I think.
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    Re: in order to

    Here are a few sentences for the exercise

    Please vote

    1) He coloured his left palm in red so as / nothing / in order to remaind himself to lock up the main entrance door.

    2) He left a box with some snakes outside so as / nothing / in order not to frighten his wife.

    3) He jumped into the water so as / nothing / in order to save the map we needed so much.

    4) I woke up early in the morning so as / nothing / in order to get the top of the hill before sunrise

    5) I am learning English hard so as / nothing / in order to be able to speak fluently to you one day.

    6) Some women tint thier hair so as / nothing / in order to look younger.


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