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    Noun Clause Problem

    Help me!
    Do you know what I want?
    Do you know is a main clause and what I want is a noun clause, a subordinate clause.
    The problem here,
    What I want is the red book.
    What I want is a subordinate clause, but which is main clause?
    Thank you in advance.

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    #2

    Re: Noun Clause Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by whitemoon View Post
    What I want is the red book.

    What I want is a subordinate clause, but which is main clause?
    Consider these examples:

    [1] What I want for dinner is a hamburger. (subject)
    [2] The vacation is what I need most. (complement)
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    Ex: What I want is a red book. (subject +complement)

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    Re: Noun Clause Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by whitemoon View Post
    Help me!
    Do you know what I want?
    Do you know is a main clause and what I want is a noun clause, a subordinate clause.
    The problem here,
    What I want is the red book.
    What I want is a subordinate clause, but which is main clause?
    Thank you in advance.
    I'll have a go:
    "What I want is the red book" can be transformed to "The red book is what I want"
    The main clause is the whole sentence, since "The red book is" can't stand alone. "What I want" is a noun clause, a subordinate clause within the main clause.
    This applies to whichever of the two forms of the sentence you write.

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    Re: Noun Clause Problem

    First of all, I’d like to extend my heartfelt appreciation to you two. In addition, I’d like to tell you that your answers are not the point that I want.
    Let me add more information here.
    Such a group of words which forms part of a sentence, and contains a Subject and a Predicate, is called a Clause.
    A complex sentence consists of one Main Clause and one or more Subordinate Clauses.
    In each of the following Complex Sentences, the Noun Clause is the Subject of a verb:
    1. That you should say so surprises me.
    2. That it would rain seemed likely.
    3. What he said was true.
    4. When I shall return is uncertain.
    5. How he could assist his friend was his chief concern.
    6. Why he left is a mystery.
    7. Whether we can start tomorrow seems uncertain.
    From High School English Grammar And Composition by Wern and Martin
    Actually, I want to know analysis of Complex Sentences, especially the above complex sentences.
    I can analyze some sentences of the above ones.
    4. (the time) When I shall return is uncertain. In this sentence, “when I shall return” is a subordinate clause and “(the time) is uncertain” is a main clause.
    6.(the reason)Why he left is a mystery. In this sentence, “why he left “ is a subordinate clause, and “(the reason) is a mystery” is a main clause.
    My analysis may be wrong. If wrong, please correct them. Then please analyze the others:1, 2,3, 5, 7.
    If you all, native speakers, cannot analyze them, I’ll bear in mind that they are exceptions.
    Hope your help.
    May you be happy, healty and wealthy!
    Whitemoon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I'll have a go:
    "What I want is the red book" can be transformed to "The red book is what I want"(I don't want to transform.)
    The main clause is the whole sentence,(No, it is a complex sentence, and so it has a main clause and a subordinate clause. I find out a subordinate clause ,but not a main clause because I can't find out subject of the main clause.) since "The red book is" can't stand alone. "What I want" is a noun clause, a subordinate clause within the main clause.
    This applies to whichever of the two forms of the sentence you write.
    What I want is the red book.
    What I want is a subordinate clause.
    ....Subject.... is the red book is a main clause.
    I can't find subject out.
    Please help me in searching the subject of the main clause.
    Last edited by whitemoon; 22-Jul-2008 at 05:56. Reason: correct error

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    Re: Noun Clause Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Soup View Post
    Consider these examples:

    [1] What I want for dinner is a hamburger. (subject) (Complex sentence)
    [2] The vacation is what I need most. (complement) (Complex sentence)
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    Ex: What I want is a red book. (subject +complement)
    I see, thank you! But I want to know the analysis of your sentences.
    Let me analyse them.
    (1) What I want for dinner is a subordinate clause, and ....subject... is a hamburger is a main clause.
    (2) The vacation is is a main clause, and what I need most is a subordinate clause.
    My problem is: What is the subject of the main clause in sentence no. 1?
    Hope your answer!
    Have a good time!
    Last edited by whitemoon; 22-Jul-2008 at 05:41. Reason: correct error

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    Re: Noun Clause Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by whitemoon View Post
    (2) The vacation is is a main clause, and what I need most is a subordinate clause.
    If you accept "The vacation is" as the main clause, then the main clause in your original example is "The red book is".
    You might not accept this, since you don't want to transform the sentence. I have an idea. Why don't you tell us what you think is the main clause, and we can respond to your opinion.

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    Re: Noun Clause Problem

    A clause which can stand itself and makes a sense, I have known, is a main clause.
    Hope your help!

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    Re: Noun Clause Problem

    I am looking forward to your help.

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    Re: Noun Clause Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by whitemoon View Post
    I am looking forward to your help.
    Actually, I meant "why don't you tell us what you think the main clause in your example is".
    I have given two opinions:
    "The red book is" or, the whole sentence, with the subordinate clause being part of the main (whole sentence) clause.
    Perhaps someone else could give an opinion. David L. seems to be particular good with difficult grammar.

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