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    The emerging power shortages have important implications for both inflation and growth, about which the government is to publish fresh figures today. Second quarter GDP growth is forecast to have dropped to 10.1 per cent from 10.6 per cent in the first quarter.
    Hi! I learned that there should have 'the' before 'ordinal number'. Why is 'the' omitted' in the context above? Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedaffodils View Post

    Hi! I learned that there should have 'the' before 'ordinal number'. Why is 'the' omitted' in the context above? Thank you!
    In my opinion, the headword of "second quarter GDP growth" is "growth" and "GDP" modifies "growth" and then "second quarter" restricts the meaning of GDP growth" in this case. And of course "second quarter" is not the focus in terms of meaning here. This poses a sharp contrast with the last phrase "the first quarter" of the sentence. I don't think this is something easy to understand, either. And my post is open to discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedaffodils View Post

    Hi! I learned that there should have 'the' before 'ordinal number'. Why is 'the' omitted' in the context above? Thank you!
    The answer is that "the" is not always needed before an ordinal number.

    This is my second trip to France.
    This is the second time I have come to France.

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    "Forecast" seems to me to be an odd word to use there. Perhaps:
    Second quarter GDP growth is expecterd to drop to 10.1 per cent from 10.6 per cent in the first quarter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    The answer is that "the" is not always needed before an ordinal number.

    This is my second trip to France.
    This is the second time I have come to France.
    2006,

    Thanks for your response. My teacher always told us "the" is a must before an ordinal number. When I was a middle school student, we often had such tests and exercises for hundreds of times.

    The definite article can be omitted in your example because there's 'my' qualifies 'second'.

    Well, I found the same info. from the Internet about it too. Here's the excerpt.


    The definite article the, meaning this one or that one, is used before the following:


    ordinal numbers the tenth name on the list


    superlatives the best in the country


    family names used in the plural the Browns, the Smiths

    http://class.georgiasouthern.edu/wri...tearticles.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    "Forecast" seems to me to be an odd word to use there. Perhaps:
    Second quarter GDP growth is expecterd to drop to 10.1 per cent from 10.6 per cent in the first quarter.
    Hi RonBee, thank you for your suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedaffodils View Post
    2006,

    Thanks for your response. My teacher always told us "the" is a must before an ordinal number. (S)he was wrong. When I was a middle school student, we often had such tests and exercises for hundreds of times.

    The definite article can be omitted in your example because there's 'my' qualifies 'second'.
    not "can be omitted" It is not used!
    Nobody says 'This is (the my) (my the) second trip to France.'

    "The definite article the..........is used before the following:"
    "is used" doesn't mean it must be used. It depends on the grammar of the sentence.



    Indefinite Articles ?a?, ?an? / Definite Article ?the?
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    not "can be omitted" It is not used!
    Nobody says 'This is (the my) (my the) second trip to France.'
    I agree this as I quoted. Sorry, I misused my words (can be omitted) previously.

    But if there without any personal pronouns to qualify an ordinal number, it should add 'the' before an ordinal number.

    Would you please take a look on the URL link I offer? It is stated clearly about the usage as my teacher taught us.
    Or would you please offer another example from any authoritative/credited sources? Thank you!

    PS: Exceptions

    1 " First", "Second" ... in the enumeration in an easy are not counted

    2 a second time...
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    Titles
    In names for kings and queens, ordinal numbers are written in Roman numbers. In spoken English, the definite article is used before the ordinal number:
    Charles II - Charles the Second
    Edward VI - Edward the Sixth
    Henry VIII - Henry the Eighth
    English Numbers - Ordinal numbers

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    Ordinal Numbers
    Cardinal numbers express quantity: two (2), thirty-five (35) etc...
    Ordinal numbers indicate order or rank: first (1st), second (2nd), third (3rd) etc...
    The definite article "the" normally goes in front of an ordinal number: e.g. "Queen Elizabeth the second."
    Learn English Online - Free Beginners Course - Unit 5 - Lesson 22 - Ordinal Numbers

    Another source from the Internet.

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