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    #1

    two sentences = a few problems

    Hi there,

    Could someone tell me which of these sentences is OK, and why?

    1. I thought it was a brand new song... after I've finished downloading (it ?), it struck me that it wasn't.

    OR

    2. I thought it is a brand new song... after I've finished downloading (it ?), it struck me that it's not

    Additional questions:

    a) is the part with "after I've finished..." allright? it the use of the pres. perfect tense apropriate here?
    b) is it necessary to put "it" after downloading ?]

    best wishes, thanks in advance!


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    Re: two sentences = a few problems

    1. I thought it was a brand new song... after I've finished downloading (it ?), it struck me that it wasn't.

    OR

    2. I thought it is a brand new song... after I've finished downloading (it ?), it struck me that it's not

    Additional questions:

    a) is the part with "after I've finished..." allright? it the use of the pres. perfect tense apropriate here?
    b) is it necessary to put "it" after downloading ?]


    'I thought' is past tense, so you cannot follow with a verb in the present tense unless you are quoting your thoughts e.g.
    I thought, "Hm, this is a brand new song."

    'struck' is past tense. One of the uses of Past Perfect tense is to place one thing further back in time than another - you downloaded, then it struck you, so 'downloaded' is further back in time than when 'it struck'. You have used Present Perfect tense which is not correct.

    "After I have downloaded the song, I will burn it to a CD."

    Most people would understand the meaning if you omitted the first 'it' - it sounds very 'computer expert/geek talk'. Most native speakers would probably include it.

    So - best sentence:
    1. I thought it was a brand new song. After I'd finished downloading it, it struck me that it wasn't.
    Last edited by David L.; 21-Jul-2008 at 18:01.

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    Re: two sentences = a few problems

    Quote Originally Posted by forum_mail View Post
    Hi there,

    Could someone tell me which of these sentences is OK, and why?

    1. I thought it was a brand new song... after I've finished downloading (it ?), it struck me that it wasn't.

    OR

    2. I thought it is a brand new song... after I've finished downloading (it ?), it struck me that it's not

    Additional questions:

    a) is the part with "after I've finished..." allright? it the use of the pres. perfect tense apropriate here?
    b) is it necessary to put "it" after downloading ?]

    best wishes, thanks in advance!
    Hi, forum_mail!

    As for a), yes, I think it is perfectly correct.
    And as for b), I personally feel "it" is required there.

    I would say...

    I thought it was a brand new song, but after (I've finished) downloading it, I've found(it has struck me) it isn't.



    Please wait for native speakers to respond.
    (I'm not a native speaker of English...)

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    Re: two sentences = a few problems

    What have I done...
    David has already responded to this one...


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    tzfujimino:

    That gives you the perfect opportunity to compare your go at it, with that of a native speaker.

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    Re: two sentences = a few problems

    Quote Originally Posted by David L. View Post
    tzfujimino:

    That gives you the perfect opportunity to compare your go at it, with that of a native speaker.
    Thank you, David.

    'After I've finished downloading (it ?), it struck me that it wasn't.' doesn't work.
    I was wrong. I somehow missed the main clause.

    If the forum_mail is talking about the past event, yours is absolutely the best choice. I first thought the sentence would be better with a present focus, therefore:

    After downloading it, I've found it isn't.

    Do you think it is acceptable?


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    Re: two sentences = a few problems

    Perfectly acceptable.
    The use of one or the other depends on the context. Two scenarios:
    You are telling somebody next day at school:
    "I logged on to iTunes, ......and I thought it was a brand new song. After I'd finished downloading it, it struck me that it wasn't. So I..."

    You've just finished dowloading, and realize your mistake. You email iTunes and write:
    [COLOR="Blue"]"...brand new song. After downloading it, I've found it isn't. Yet you have the song listed under "New Hits". I think that is misleading and even false advertising and I should get a refund."
    Note that in the second sentence that you wrote, you have used 'I found" not, "It struck"
    The Present Perfect tense imples: I've found (out) it wasn't a new song by checking with some of my friends." How you found out is not mentioned in the email, but you know, and so your frame of reference is that you have just spent some time checking this out, and NOW are emailing iTunes. In that way, the use of Present Perfect is fine: it gives an indication of the perspective on a situation of the speaker.
    Last edited by David L.; 21-Jul-2008 at 18:42.

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    #8

    Re: two sentences = a few problems

    Quote Originally Posted by David L. View Post
    Perfectly acceptable.
    The use of one or the other depends on the context. Two scenarios:
    You are telling somebody next day at school:
    "I logged on to iTunes, ......and I thought it was a brand new song. After I'd finished downloading it, it struck me that it wasn't. So I..."

    You've just finished dowloading, and realize your mistake. You email iTunes and write:
    "...brand new song. After downloading it, I've found it isn't. Yet you have the song listed under "New Hits". I think I should get a refund."
    Thank you for the clarification, sir.


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    Re: two sentences = a few problems

    thanks a lot folks, you're truly amazing!

    I've got lots of other questions to ask (hmm.... VS to be asked <thinking>) It's good to know that such well-explained answers are so quickly posted here!

    Thanks again!

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