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    Where - In which

    Hello,

    Would you tell us what is the difference (mainly the usage) between "where" and "in which"?

    Ex: Last year, I visited a place where/in which there was nobody.

    Can "where" and "in which" be similar in the above sentence?

    Thanks

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    Re: Where - In which

    I think they are similar.

    Need more discusion.

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    Re: Where - In which

    Quote Originally Posted by LeUyenHoc View Post
    Hello,

    Would you tell us what is the difference (mainly the usage) between "where" and "in which"?

    Ex: Last year, I visited a place where/in which there was nobody.

    Can "where" and "in which" be similar in the above sentence?

    Thanks

    Hi, LeUyenHoc.

    I think your sentence would be better if you put a comma after 'a place'.

    Last year, I visited a place, where/in which there was nobody.

    'where/in which there was nobody' is a 'non-defining clause', I guess.
    It is additional information, isn't it?

    What do you think?

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    Re: Where - In which

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Hi, LeUyenHoc.

    I think your sentence would be better if you put a comma after 'a place'.

    Last year, I visited a place, where/in which there was nobody.

    'where/in which there was nobody' is a 'non-defining clause', I guess.
    It is additional information, isn't it?

    What do you think?
    Hi Tzfujimino

    Thank you very much for your ideas.

    Here I'd use "where/in which there was nobody" as an adverb clause.

    About 'non-defining clause', I haven't known it. Could you make me clear?

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    Re: Where - In which

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Hi, LeUyenHoc.

    I think your sentence would be better if you put a comma after 'a place'.

    Last year, I visited a place, where/in which there was nobody.

    'where/in which there was nobody' is a 'non-defining clause', I guess.
    It is additional information, isn't it?

    What do you think?
    It's hard to say in this case. No-one would actually say that. It's easier to determine whether a clause is defining or not if it follows "the" rather than "a". Let's take a sentence with a similar construction:
    (either "where" or "in which" could be used)
    1. Last year I visited the castle where there were no people.
    2. Last year I visited the castle, where there were no people.
    1. contains a defining clause. It tells which castle you visited - "the castle where there were no people"
    2. is non-defining. In fact, it assumes that the listening already knows which castle you're talking about; and you merely add the information that there were no people there.

    3. I visited a castle in which there were no people.
    4. I visited a castle, in which there were no people.
    3. is defining. You visited what? A castle in which there were no people.
    4. is non-defining. You visited what? A castle. And by the way, there was nobody there.

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    Re: Where - In which

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    It's hard to say in this case. No-one would actually say that. It's easier to determine whether a clause is defining or not if it follows "the" rather than "a". Let's take a sentence with a similar construction:
    (either "where" or "in which" could be used)
    1. Last year I visited the castle where there were no people.
    2. Last year I visited the castle, where there were no people.
    1. contains a defining clause. It tells which castle you visited - "the castle where there were no people"
    2. is non-defining. In fact, it assumes that the listening already knows which castle you're talking about; and you merely add the information that there were no people there.

    3. I visited a castle in which there were no people.
    4. I visited a castle, in which there were no people.
    3. is defining. You visited what? A castle in which there were no people.
    4. is non-defining. You visited what? A castle. And by the way, there was nobody there.
    Thank you for the explanation, Raymott!
    You are always kind enough to help us.

    Well...the thing is...

    Last year I visited a place where/in which there was nobody.

    I found this sentence strange because 'where/in which there was...' is used as a 'defining clause'. I believe it is grammatically correct, though. If somebody said this to me, I would probably say...'What for?' The sentence sounds like...the speaker had an intention to do so. I don't know why. Maybe s/he wanted to be alone.

    Last year I visited a place, where/in which there was nobody.

    I said the sentence would be better if the sentence is 'non-defined' by the relative clause like this. It's because...as Raymott says, 'where/in which there was...' is just a piece of additional information. So...my interpretation would be like...

    Last year I visited a place.....I don't know which place he visited. Then s/he adds,

    ,where/in which there was nobody....Then I think to myself, 'Oh, I see. So...s/he visited a place, but s/he couldn't find any people around.'
    The speaker will then probably explain, 'The place was actually...'


    Please forgive me if my interpretation is wrong.

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    Re: Where - In which

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Last year I visited a place.....I don't know which place he visited. Then s/he adds,

    ,where/in which there was nobody....Then I think to myself, 'Oh, I see. So...s/he visited a place, but s/he couldn't find any people around.'
    The speaker will then probably explain, 'The place was actually...'
    Please forgive me if my interpretation is wrong.
    Yes, that's exactly how I'd interpret it.

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    Re: Where - In which

    Hi Raymott, Tzfujimino,

    Thank you very much for your ideas which really help

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