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    offhand / improvised/ by heart

    Dear teachers,

    A few days ago I entered into a discussion. Debatable ground was the meaning of a few expressions.

    My young in teachability (practical training) American teacher (a 20 years missionary) contended that the term “improvised” is closer to the meaning of the expression “by heart” than to the meaning of “offhand”.

    My opinion is very much the reverse. “improvised” is closer to the meaning of “offhand” than to to the meaning of “by heart”.

    I played an accompaniment offhand. (little or no preparation) = improvised

    I played the five finger exercise by heart. (also by rote = from memory; also, mechanically).

    Would you be kind enough to play the part of an impartial arbiter?

    Thank you for your efforts.

    Regards

    V.

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    Re: offhand / improvised/ by heart

    Quote Originally Posted by vil View Post
    Dear teachers,

    A few days ago I entered into a discussion. Debatable ground was the meaning of a few expressions.

    My young in teachability (practical training) American teacher (a 20 years missionary) contended that the term “improvised” is closer to the meaning of the expression “by heart” than to the meaning of “offhand”.

    My opinion is very much the reverse. “improvised” is closer to the meaning of “offhand” than to to the meaning of “by heart”.

    I played an accompaniment offhand. (little or no preparation) = improvised

    I played the five finger exercise by heart. (also by rote = from memory; also, mechanically).

    Would you be kind enough to play the part of an impartial arbiter?

    Thank you for your efforts.

    Regards

    V.
    Personally I think that to improvise something is completely different than to know something by heart, I am not familiar with offhand in this context.

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    #3

    Re: offhand / improvised/ by heart

    Quote Originally Posted by vil View Post
    Dear teachers,

    A few days ago I entered into a discussion. Debatable ground was the meaning of a few expressions.

    My young in teachability (practical training) American teacher (a 20 years missionary) contended that the term “improvised” is closer to the meaning of the expression “by heart” than to the meaning of “offhand”.

    My opinion is very much the reverse. “improvised” is closer to the meaning of “offhand” than to to the meaning of “by heart”.

    I played an accompaniment offhand. (little or no preparation) = improvised

    I played the five finger exercise by heart. (also by rote = from memory; also, mechanically).

    Would you be kind enough to play the part of an impartial arbiter?

    Thank you for your efforts.

    Regards

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    Hi, Vil! How are you, my friend?

    Please confirm that your young teacher said 'by heart' instead of 'from the heart'. 'Improvise' could be related to an action 'from the heart'. I would not use 'by heart' to mean improvisation.

    Cheers,
    Amigo

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    Re: offhand / improvised/ by heart

    Hi bhaisahab,

    Thank you for your supporting statement. There are no two ways about it. “To improvise something is completely different than to know something by heart”. That one was my thesis in the discussion in question. Thank you again.

    In reference to “offhand” in the present context you might see the following link.

    offhand: Definition, Synonyms and Much More from Answers.com

    offhand = spoken, performed, or composed with little or no preparation or forethought: ad-lib, extemporaneous, extemporary, extempore, impromptu, improvised, snap, spur-of-the-moment, unrehearsed. Informal off-the-cuff .

    Regards

    V.

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    Re: offhand / improvised/ by heart

    Quote Originally Posted by vil View Post
    Dear teachers,

    A few days ago I entered into a discussion. Debatable ground was the meaning of a few expressions.

    My young in teachability (practical training) American teacher (a 20 years missionary) contended that the term “improvised” is closer to the meaning of the expression “by heart” than to the meaning of “offhand”.

    My opinion is very much the reverse. “improvised” is closer to the meaning of “offhand” than to to the meaning of “by heart”.

    I played an accompaniment offhand. (little or no preparation) = improvised

    I played the five finger exercise by heart. (also by rote = from memory; also, mechanically).

    Would you be kind enough to play the part of an impartial arbiter?

    Thank you for your efforts.

    Regards

    V.
    Off hand - and I'm only improvising here - I'd say you were right.

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    Re: offhand / improvised/ by heart

    Quote Originally Posted by vil View Post
    Hi bhaisahab,

    Thank you for your supporting statement. There are no two ways about it. “To improvise something is completely different than to know something by heart”. That one was my thesis in the discussion in question. Thank you again.

    In reference to “offhand” in the present context you might see the following link.

    offhand: Definition, Synonyms and Much More from Answers.com

    offhand = spoken, performed, or composed with little or no preparation or forethought: ad-lib, extemporaneous, extemporary, extempore, impromptu, improvised, snap, spur-of-the-moment, unrehearsed. Informal off-the-cuff .

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    V.
    Thanks for the link vil, I was familiar with offhand as careless, slipshod etc.

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    Re: offhand / improvised/ by heart

    Hi amigos4,

    Thank you for your kindly disposed explanation of the hard explicably ignorance yours fellow-citizen. You are in right: 'Improvise' could be related to an action 'from the heart'.There are further similar words as “impulsive”, ‘impetuous”, “acting on the spur of the moment”, “intuitive”.but this is off the point.

    Thank you also for your supporting statement.

    Regards

    V.

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    Re: offhand / improvised/ by heart

    unprepared, off the cuff, offhand.
    Offhand doesn' t necessarily mean the negative

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    Re: offhand / improvised/ by heart

    Hi tedtmc,

    Thank you for your specifying. I am in full agreement with your statement.

    Regards

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