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    On bed

    Why is 'on bed' considered wrong, as 'He is sleeping on bed'?

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    Re: On bed

    The preposition doesn't have to be wrong; if he's not under the covers, it fine, but it needs to be 'on the/his bed'.


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    Thank you, Tdol. But I have a follow-up question: Disregarding the need for an article or pronoun in ON BED, why is it wrong; whereas IN BED is correct [even without an article]. Thank you again.

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    Re: On bed

    Quote Originally Posted by daddyjohn View Post
    Thank you, Tdol. But I have a follow-up question: Disregarding the need for an article or pronoun in ON BED, why is it wrong; whereas IN BED is correct [even without an article]. Thank you again.
    This is a meaningless question. It's wrong because it is; that's the way the language works.

    And please do some research before posting. The same question was asked and answered in this forum a few days ago.

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    Thank you. The ON BED a few days ago was simply declared wrong. I was thinking there could be a reason why it's wrong, whereas IN BED is correct, so I felt I had to ask.

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    Re: On bed

    Quote Originally Posted by daddyjohn View Post
    Thank you. The ON BED a few days ago was simply declared wrong. I was thinking there could be a reason why it's wrong, whereas IN BED is correct, so I felt I had to ask.
    And rightly so you should ask. All questions are good questions.

    The phrase in bed is fixed. It's an idiom meaning resting or sleeping, whereas the phrase on (top of) the bed simply expresses a location.

    Ex: Max is in bed. She is ill / She is sleeping / She is resting.

    Ex: Max is on the bed. That is where she is located.

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    Re: On bed

    Quote Originally Posted by Soup View Post
    And rightly so you should ask. All questions are good questions.

    The phrase in bed is fixed. It's an idiom meaning resting or sleeping, whereas the phrase on (top of) the bed simply expresses a location.

    Ex: Max is in bed. She is ill / She is sleeping / She is resting.
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    Ex: Max is on the bed. That is where she is located.
    What bothered me about the question was that it seemed to be putting the cart (rules) before the horse (language). "On the bed" requires an article because it does. One can dress it up with all sorts of grammatical paraphernalia* ("when 'on' is followed by a noun in an adverbial phrase, the noun should always be preceded by..." and blah-di-blah) but the usage is what it is.

    *NB - I'm not saying that you did (that'd be ridiculous - you didn't), but some teachers do and some students think that this verbiage is explaining something.

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    Last edited by BobK; 05-Sep-2008 at 18:47. Reason: Tweaked format


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    Good morning from the Philippines! I highly appreciate your patience, Soup. Many, many thanks.

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    Re: On bed

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    What bothered me about the question [Why is 'on bed' considered wrong, as 'He is sleeping on bed'?] was that it seemed to be putting the cart (rules) before the horse (language). "On the bed" requires an article because it does.
    But I think the poster knew that (I could be wrong of course).

    What appeared to perplex the poster was this: if *on bed needs an article/determiner, then why doesn't in bed? Both in and on are prepositions, but only on requires a determiner-led noun as its object in that phrase, why is that?

    The poster was doing what every learning no matter the subject should do: look at patterns and determine the similarites and differences, as this leads to connections, which in turn leads to a higher-level understanding of how the rules of the language work.
    if (a) is ungrammatical, then why is (b) grammatical?

    (a) He is sleeping on bed. ... on the bed
    (b) He is sleeping in bed.
    The answer, of course, has to do with idiomatic language.

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    I was feeling a bit cranky.

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