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    voiced consonants and unvoiced consonants

    I have checked several websites about voiced consonants and voiceless consonants, but each site has different lists of voiced and voiceless consonants.

    voiced: b, d, th, v, z, g (some other sites list the following in addition: l, r, j, m)

    voiceless: p, t, k, s, sh, ch, (some other sites list the following in addition: f, th)

    are those lists completed? did I miss anything?

    recently I 've been practising the z sound as in "these", "assign", "shells", "machines", but I always ended up pronouncing the z sound as s . It's very hard for me vibrate my vocal cord while pronouncing the s sound, any advice will be appreciated. thanks in advanced!

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    Re: voiced consonants and unvoiced consonants

    Quote Originally Posted by leungss View Post
    I have checked several websites about voiced consonants and voiceless consonants, but each site has different lists of voiced and voiceless consonants.

    voiced: b, d, th, v, z, g (some other sites list the following in addition: l, r, j, m)

    voiceless: p, t, k, s, sh, ch, (some other sites list the following in addition: f, th)

    are those lists completed? did I miss anything?

    recently I 've been practising the z sound as in "these", "assign", "shells", "machines", but I always ended up pronouncing the z sound as s . It's very hard for me vibrate my vocal cord while pronouncing the s sound, any advice will be appreciated. thanks in advanced!
    There's no /z/ is assign. The others are OK.
    The sites you've checked were the wrong ones.
    The site below gives the whole consonant table with sound files:
    Constanants
    On any IPA table the voiceless consonants are on the left, the voiced on the right.
    Voiceless: p, t, k, f, θ, s, ʃ(sh), h, ʍ(wh), tʃ(ch)
    Voiced : b, d, g, m, n, ŋ(ng), v, (th), z, ʒ(zh), ɹ, l, j, w, dʒ (dzh)

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    Re: voiced consonants and unvoiced consonants

    thanks a lot. somehow some of the IPA symbols appeared as a square on this page

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    Re: voiced consonants and unvoiced consonants

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    thanks a lot. somehow some of the IPA symbols appeared as a square on this page
    Oh, never mind, you can find them anywhere.

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    Re: voiced consonants and unvoiced consonants

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    There's no /z/ is assign. The others are OK.
    The sites you've checked were the wrong ones.
    The site below gives the whole consonant table with sound files:
    Constanants
    On any IPA table the voiceless consonants are on the left, the voiced on the right.
    Voiceless: p, t, k, f, θ, s, ʃ(sh), h, ʍ(wh), tʃ(ch)
    Voiced : b, d, g, m, n, ŋ(ng), v, (th), z, ʒ(zh), ɹ, l, j, w, dʒ (dzh)

    Please, give me examples of words where we can find the voiced consonant W and the voiceless consonant ʍ. In fact I do not quite understand the difference between these two consonant sounds.



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    Re: voiced consonants and unvoiced consonants

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    Please, give me examples of words where we can find the voiced consonant W and the voiceless consonant ʍ. In fact I do not quite understand the difference between these two consonant sounds.



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    ʍ(wh) - where, which, whether ...
    w - we, were, Willy Wonka ...
    I wouldn't worry about this too much. These days many people do not both to pronounce 'wh' and use 'w' for all these words. It's rare in Australia. I never use
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    It sounds like /hw/ - hwich, etc. or a simultaneous /w/ and /h/.



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    Re: voiced consonants and unvoiced consonants

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    ʍ(wh) - where, which, whether ...
    w - we, were, Willy Wonka ...
    I wouldn't worry about this too much. These days many people do not both to pronounce 'wh' and use 'w' for all these words. It's rare in Australia. I never use
    ʍ.
    It sounds like /hw/ - hwich, etc. or a simultaneous /w/ and /h/.



    I see,
    thanks for the explanation,

    Unfortunately, I have to worry since I will have to take a difficult exam in phonetics and phonology.


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    Re: voiced consonants and unvoiced consonants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad-ox View Post
    I see,
    thanks for the explanation,

    Unfortunately, I have to worry since I will have to take a difficult exam in phonetics and phonology.


    best regards,
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    Ah, then you are right to worry.

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    Re: voiced consonants and unvoiced consonants

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    ʍ(wh) - where, which, whether ...
    w - we, were, Willy Wonka ...
    I wouldn't worry about this too much. These days many people do not both to pronounce 'wh' and use 'w' for all these words. It's rare in Australia. I never use ʍ.
    It sounds like /hw/ - hwich, etc. or a simultaneous /w/ and /h/.


    This is new for me. Till now I had learnt that English has 24 consonant sounds and 20 vowel sounds. I never knew about the existance of unvoiced W (wh), does this sound find mention in the cambridge pronunciation dictionary (Daniel Jones).

    I belive almost every phonetic symbol which represents a sound has variants (phonemes)
    ex. /L/ has a dark form dark L, /R/ has 3 variants, clipped (british), rolled (american) and trilled (scottish), /T/ has various variants flapped, tapped, etc
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    Re: voiced consonants and unvoiced consonants

    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    This is new for me.
    Great! I've been able to teach you something.

    Till now I had learnt that English has 24 consonant sounds and 20 vowel sounds. I never knew about the existance of unvoiced W (wh), does this sound find mention in the cambridge pronunciation dictionary (Daniel Jones).
    I don't know. I don't have that book.

    I belive almost every phonetic symbol which represents a sound has variants (phonemes)
    ex. /L/ has a dark form dark L, /R/ has 3 variants, clipped (british), rolled (american) and trilled (scottish), /T/ has various variants flapped, tapped, etc
    Many phonemes have allophones, yes. But since /ʍ/ and /w/ are found in 'which' and 'witch', respectively, which are minimal pairs in some dialects such as Scottish, they are not allophones of the same phoneme.



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