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    Simplification

    Let no body think that I am trying to dumb down English
    language just to suit Non-English people. But we are indeed
    facing problems in bringing right expression for the
    following instances in English.

    Please read the under mentioned.
    1. Mr. Kennedy was the 35th president of USA.
    2. I am the fourth child/sibling in my family.
    3. I am going to see this movie third time.
    4. My British uncle is visiting India first time.
    5. She is the second wife to him.

    How exactly can we frame the questions to get answers of the above said facts?
    There is no appropriate words found in English to male straightforward
    questions to get the above answers.

    For the 1st statement, one American has given me answer as below.
    1) In a chronologically ordered list of American presidents,
    what would Mr. Kennedy's ranking be?
    or (simpler)
    How many men served in the office of President of the United States of
    America before Kennedy?
    These questions are very long and not concise and also we can't give the 1st statement
    as the reply to this question even though we can manipulate to understand the matter.

    That is why I propose to add a new word "NUMBERTH" in English.
    The root word for "numberth" is number.
    We say fourth from four, fifth from five, etc., by adding suffix "th".
    Similarly, the new word - "numberth" is derived from
    number by adding suffix "th". This new word "numberth" represents
    an unknown ordinal number and it is a noun like fourth and
    always used as noun only.
    When we question it with what, its real ordinal number position is known
    and it will indicate its position in the sequence of numbers.
    The sequence must be in some order - that may be chronological order or
    seniority order, etc, as per the context of the matter in the question.
    (Note: Someone may question that there is no rule to add "th" with any word
    as we wish in English. But all rules are made to provide convenience to men only.)

    If we have accepted and understood the word - numberth,
    we can make straight questions as below:
    1. What numberth president of USA is Mr. Kennedy?
    2. What numberth child/sibling are you in your family?
    3. What numberth time are you going to see this movie now?
    4. What numberth time is your British uncle visiting India now?
    5. What numberth wife is she to him?

    I seek your high valued opinion and comment.
    Thanks.
    Yours truly,
    Er. S.M.M.Hanifa, Kadayanallur.


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    Re: Simplification

    Quote Originally Posted by hanifasmm View Post
    Let no body think that I am trying to dumb down English
    language just to suit Non-English people. But we are indeed
    facing problems in bringing right expression for the
    following instances in English.

    Please read the under mentioned.

    What number president was Mr. Kennedy?

    1. Mr. Kennedy was the 35th president of the USA.

    How old are you compared to your siblings?

    2. I am the fourth child/sibling in my family.

    How many times will you have seen this movie?


    3. I am going to see this movie for the third time.

    Has your british uncle ever visited India?


    4. (No,) My British uncle is visiting India for the first time.

    Is she his first wife?

    5. (No,) She is his second wife.

    How exactly can we frame the questions to get answers of the above said facts?
    There is no appropriate words found in English to male straightforward
    questions to get the above answers.

    For the 1st statement, one American has given me answer as below.
    1) In a chronologically ordered list of American presidents,
    what would Mr. Kennedy's ranking be?
    or (simpler)
    How many men served in the office of President of the United States of
    America before Kennedy?
    These questions are very long and not concise and also we can't give the 1st statement
    as the reply to this question even though we can manipulate to understand the matter.

    That is why I propose to add a new word "NUMBERTH" in English.
    The root word for "numberth" is number.
    We say fourth from four, fifth from five, etc., by adding suffix "th".
    Similarly, the new word - "numberth" is derived from
    number by adding suffix "th". This new word "numberth" represents
    an unknown ordinal number and it is a noun like fourth and
    always used as noun only.
    When we question it with what, its real ordinal number position is known
    and it will indicate its position in the sequence of numbers.
    The sequence must be in some order - that may be chronological order or
    seniority order, etc, as per the context of the matter in the question.
    (Note: Someone may question that there is no rule to add "th" with any word
    as we wish in English. But all rules are made to provide convenience to men only.)

    If we have accepted and understood the word - numberth,
    we can make straight questions as below:
    1. What numberth president of USA is Mr. Kennedy?
    2. What numberth child/sibling are you in your family?
    3. What numberth time are you going to see this movie now?
    4. What numberth time is your British uncle visiting India now?
    5. What numberth wife is she to him?

    I seek your high valued opinion and comment.
    Thanks.
    Yours truly,
    Er. S.M.M.Hanifa, Kadayanallur.
    While I can understand the difficulties forming questions in English presents non native speakers, the idea of "adding a new word" to the language is not practical.

    In a sense, your examples are quite straightforward, and I suppose make sense, but realistically they aren't of any use. Your time would be better spent mastering the art of constructing questions in English. There are many things I would like to change in other languages (French for example) to make them easier for me to speak.

    I have offered some possible questions (although I realise they don't solve your problem) to your answers, and also corrected a few of your grammar issues.

    I am not a teacher.

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