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    self-pronouns

    Which of the options in brackets would fit?

    1. One shouldn't deceive (oneself, himself, themselves).

    2. Has anybody hurt (himself, themselves).

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    Re: self-pronouns

    1. One shouldn't deceive (oneself).
    2. Has anybody hurt .... <politically sensitive>
    3. Has anybody been hurt?


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    Re: self-pronouns

    Quote Originally Posted by Soup View Post
    1. One shouldn't deceive (oneself).
    2. Has anybody hurt .... <politically sensitive>
    3. Has anybody been hurt?
    Thank you, Soup.
    Do you mean that (2) is usually avoided?

    How about this:
    Anybody can find (himself, themselves) in such a situation.

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    Re: self-pronouns

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    Thank you, Soup.
    Do you mean that (2) is usually avoided?

    How about this:
    Anybody can find (himself, themselves) in such a situation.
    The problem is the use of "he/him" to refer to both men and women.
    Feminists don't like it, because they say it excludes women; it assumes that someone is male unless it is specifically written that the person is female.
    So, the idea was to use a singular "they". But some English teachers don't like this solution. So they rewrite the sentence.

    I would personally use:
    2. "Has anybody hurt themselves/themself". rather than "himself".
    "Anybody can find themselves/themself in such a situation."
    The singular "they" can be used in all forms:
    "If any student is going to be late, they need to bring a note".
    Yes, it could be rephrased, but some people think, why should it be, just because we have no non-sexist pronoun to accompany "anybody, somebody, etc". Why not use "they"?

    This pleases the feminists and academics, but offends prescriptionists, and
    some ordinary people.


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    Re: self-pronouns

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    2. "Has anybody hurt themselves/themself". rather than "himself".
    "Anybody can find themselves/themself in such a situation."
    Thank you very much, Raymott.
    Themself Is it a neologism? When did this form come into use? Is it standard English now?

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    Re: self-pronouns

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    Thank you very much, Raymott.
    Themself Is it a neologism? When did this form come into use? Is it standard English now?
    No, it's not new.

    "Singular usage increasingly includes themself, a form that dates from the 15c but has always been rare: ‘I think somebody should immediately address themself to this problem’ ( A. Thomas Ellis, The Times, 9 Sept. 1987)."

    See here:
    GENERIC PRONOUN ? FREE GENERIC PRONOUN Information | Encyclopedia.com: Find GENERIC PRONOUN Research

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