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    why 2 prepositions?

    The research was paid for by NIH's bioethics department and the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine.


    Hi,
    It it correct to use two prepositions like in the sentence above? Can I simply say "paid by", please?
    Thanks.

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    Re: why 2 prepositions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jctgf View Post
    The research was paid for by NIH's bioethics department and the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine.


    Hi,
    It it correct to use two prepositions like in the sentence above? Can I simply say "paid by", please?
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    Yes it is correct. The first one is part of the phrasal verb "to pay for" meaning to buy/hand over cash. The second preposition introduces the agency that paid for the research.

    "The research wasn't paid by NIH" is wrong. It was paid for by NIH.

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    Re: why 2 prepositions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Yes it is correct. The first one is part of the phrasal verb "to pay for" meaning to buy/hand over cash. The second preposition introduces the agency that paid for the research.

    "The research wasn't paid by NIH" is wrong. It was paid for by NIH.

    Hi Raymoot,

    I was taking a look at COCA and found the following sentence: "Your taxes are overwhelmingly paid by Disney." Here's another example, also extracted from Coca: "That fund is financed by insurance premiums paid by the nation's banks."

    These two sentences seem to me to have the same structure of the first sentence posted in this thread.

    What's the difference among them so that "paid by" is possible in the last two sentences but not possible in the first one, please?

    Thanks again!

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    Re: why 2 prepositions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jctgf View Post
    Hi Raymoot,

    I was taking a look at COCA and found the following sentence: "Your taxes are overwhelmingly paid by Disney." Here's another example, also extracted from Coca: "That fund is financed by insurance premiums paid by the nation's banks."

    These two sentences seem to me to have the same structure of the first sentence posted in this thread.

    What's the difference among them so that "paid by" is possible in the last two sentences but not possible in the first one, please?

    Thanks again!
    The difference is this:
    Disney paid the taxes.
    The nation's banks paid the insurance premiums.
    But NIH did not pay the research. (They paid for it)

    Consider this:
    A group of people went to the movies.
    Peter bought his own ticket.
    Peter also bought Sally's ticket.
    So, Sally was paid for by Peter.

    Note that Peter did not pay Sally. He paid the cinema staff.
    He paid for Sally. He did not pay Sally.

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    Re: why 2 prepositions?

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    But NIH did not pay the research. (They paid for it)
    Do you mean that "someone was paid by NIH to carry on the research"?

    If I said "NIH paid the research", "research" had to be a live being that had received the money?

    Sorry, I can't find a parallel in my native language that makes me get it easier.

    Thanks again!

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    Re: why 2 prepositions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jctgf View Post
    do you mean that "someone was paid by nih to carry on the research"?

    exactly!

    if i said "nih paid the research", "research" had to be a live being that had received the money?
    pretty much yes.

    sorry, i can't find a parallel in my native language that makes me get it easier.
    you shouldn't try. You learn faster if you think in english

    thanks again!
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    Re: why 2 prepositions?

    Quote Originally Posted by raymott View Post
    sorry, i can't find a parallel in my native language that makes me get it easier. ==> terrible mistake [ no offense, jc]
    you shouldn't try. You learn faster if you think in english.
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    Re: why 2 prepositions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott
    if i said "Nih paid the research", "research" had to be a live being that had received the money?
    pretty much yes.
    Hi Raymott,

    Sorry for taking your time again but this one is really tough for me!

    When one says "Disney paid the taxes" (previous post), "taxes" are not living beings but the sentence is correct.

    I wonder where's the difference.

    Why is "Disney paid the taxes." fine meanwhile "Nih paid the research." is not?

    Why aren't "taxes" interpreted as the person who received the money meanwhile "research" is?

    Shouldn't it be "Disney paid for the taxes"?

    Thanks once more.

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    Re: why 2 prepositions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jctgf View Post
    Hi Raymott,

    Sorry for taking your time again but this one is really tough for me!

    When one says "Disney paid the taxes" (previous post), "taxes" are not living beings but the sentence is correct.

    I wonder where's the difference.

    Why is "Disney paid the taxes." fine meanwhile "Nih paid the research." is not?

    Why aren't "taxes" interpreted as the person who received the money meanwhile "research" is?

    Shouldn't it be "Disney paid for the taxes"?

    Thanks once more.
    Forget the inanimate thing.
    You pay something that needs paying. You pay bills, taxes, rates, wages, salaries. You don't pay research.
    I'd suggest you look at a few dictionaries, think about it for a few weeks, notice sentences with "paid", and "paid for" (do a Google search and read them) and it will eventually come to you.

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