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    #1

    basic structure of passive voice

    Dear Teachers:

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    1-a: He was bitten by a dog in the park.
    1-b: He was bitten in the park by a dog.

    2-a: The eggs were put in the refrigerator by him.
    2-b: The eggs were put by him in the refrigerator.

    3-a: The movie has been seen many times by him.
    3-b: The movie has been seen by him many times.

    4-a: He was asked to clean this room by his mom.
    4-b: He was asked by his mom to clean this room.

    5-a: David was killed by his neighbor yesterday.
    5-b: David was killed yesterday by his neighbor.
    ==================

    In each set, is there an improper sentence?
    In my opinion, all of them are right, except that 3-a and 3-b are kinda unnatural in passive voice.
    (These sentence were not written by me.)

    What are/is your opinion(s)?

    Is there a rule for arranging adverbial phrase and "by [agent]"?
    How should an EFL teacher teach EFL learners about this?


    Thank you.


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    Re: basic structure of passive voice

    Quote Originally Posted by outofdejavu View Post
    Dear Teachers:

    =================
    1-a: He was bitten by a dog in the park.
    1-b: He was bitten in the park by a dog.

    2-a: The eggs were put in the refrigerator by him.
    2-b: The eggs were put by him in the refrigerator.

    3-a: The movie has been seen many times by him.
    3-b: The movie has been seen by him many times.

    4-a: He was asked to clean this room by his mom.
    4-b: He was asked by his mom to clean this room.

    5-a: David was killed by his neighbor yesterday.
    5-b: David was killed yesterday by his neighbor.
    ==================

    In each set, is there an improper sentence?
    In my opinion, all of them are right, except that 3-a and 3-b are kinda unnatural in passive voice.
    (These sentence were not written by me.)

    What are/is your opinion(s)?

    Is there a rule for arranging adverbial phrase and "by [agent]"?
    How should an EFL teacher teach EFL learners about this?


    Thank you.
    Dear Outofdezavu,
    Of course I'm not a teacher, but I want to make a suggestion.
    In passive voice, the order is Place + By.... + Time
    so I think that 1b, 2a, 3b, 5a are correct

    I'm not sure, but in my opinion, 4a is correct

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    #3

    Re: basic structure of passive voice

    Quote Originally Posted by outofdejavu View Post
    dear teachers:

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    1-a: He was bitten by a dog in the park. preferred
    1-b: He was bitten in the park by a dog. ok

    2-a: The eggs were put in the refrigerator by him. don't use the passive here
    2-b: The eggs were put by him in the refrigerator. don't use the passive here

    3-a: The movie has been seen many times by him. don't use the passive here
    3-b: The movie has been seen by him many times. don't use the passive here

    4-a: He was asked to clean this room by his mom. ok
    4-b: He was asked by his mom to clean this room. ok

    5-a: David was killed by his neighbor yesterday. preferred
    5-b: David was killed yesterday by his neighbor. ok
    ==================

    in each set, is there an improper sentence?
    In my opinion, all of them are right, except that 3-a and 3-b are kinda unnatural in passive voice.
    so are 2a and 3a. The passive often sounds strange when the agent is a pronoun. It's almost always easier to say "he did something" than "something was done by him".
    (these sentence were not written by me.)

    what are/is your opinion(s)?

    Is there a rule for arranging adverbial phrase and "by [agent]"?
    i have preferred subject + verb + by agent + adverbial in the above.
    But that's not always the case.
    If there was a more substantial agent in 2 and 3, i would say:
    2-a: "the eggs were put in the refrigerator by her younger son".

    3-a: "the movie has been seen many times by the same three girls".

    how should an efl teacher teach efl learners about this?
    Thank you.
    My opinions
    r.


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    Re: basic structure of passive voice

    Dear Raymott,
    I don't understand.
    All of my friends said that :" The order is PLACE + BY... + TIME "
    But you said that 1a, 1b 5a, 5b was correct
    contradiction!!!!!!!!

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    #5

    Re: basic structure of passive voice

    Quote Originally Posted by aya_aya7121 View Post
    Dear Raymott,
    I don't understand.
    All of my friends said that :" The order is PLACE + BY... + TIME "
    But you said that 1a, 1b 5a, 5b were correct
    contradiction!!!!!!!!
    There's no contradiction at all. I have given my opinion as a native speaker.
    Your friends have given theirs as foreign followers of overly prescriptive grammar books.
    "David was killed yesterday by his neighbor." is a normal, unremarkable English sentence.
    "Obama was elected as the new US President on Tuesday by a disaffected nation wanting change". Compare this with:
    "Obama was elected as the new US President by a disaffected nation wanting change on Tuesday".

    PS: Only one exclamation point is necessary in English.

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