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    Would you please help me?

    "All methods are of no use to me." What does this sentence mean?
    Does it mean that no method is useful to me or some of the methods are useful to me?

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    Post Re: Would you please help me?

    Hi
    I am not a teacher but would like to say something about your sentence.
    I think it means that all of the methods can't help you.

    thanks
    take care


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    Re: Would you please help me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivyh View Post
    "All methods are of no use to me." What does this sentence mean?
    Does it mean that no method is useful to me or some of the methods are useful to me?
    Who ever wrote this sentence Personally, I wouldn't consider it to be acceptable. It should be No methods are of any use to me or No method is of any use to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by naomimalan View Post
    Who ever wrote this sentence Personally, I wouldn't consider it to be acceptable. It should be No methods are of any use to me or No method is of any use to me.
    This sentence pattern is copied from Donna Farhi Schuster. The original sentence is: all the words and theories and techniques are of no use to students who have yet to open themselves...


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    Re: Would you please help me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivyh View Post
    This sentence pattern is copied from Donna Farhi Schuster. The original sentence is: all the words and theories and techniques are of no use to students who have yet to open themselves...
    Do you know if Donna Farhi Schuster is a native speaker?

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    Re: Would you please help me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivyh View Post
    This sentence pattern is copied from Donna Farhi Schuster. The original sentence is: all the words and theories and techniques are of no use to students who have yet to open themselves...
    There's nothing wrong with that phrasing, now that you've given some context. Probably, with a bit more before and after that part-sentence, it would sound good.
    "All the words and theories and techniques in the world won't help students who don't want to learn". There's nothing wrong with that sentence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    There's nothing wrong with that phrasing, now that you've given some context. Probably, with a bit more before and after that part-sentence, it would sound good.
    "All the words and theories and techniques in the world won't help students who don't want to learn". There's nothing wrong with that sentence.
    So, it is a partial negation?


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    Quote Originally Posted by naomimalan View Post
    Do you know if Donna Farhi Schuster is a native speaker?
    The author is probably a native speaker, from the San Francisco Bay Area.

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    Re: Would you please help me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivyh View Post
    So, it is a partial negation?
    I'm not sure what you mean by a partial negation.
    I'd call it a complete, unequivocal negation. "If students don't want to learn, nothing in the universe can help them."
    If, by a partial negation, you mean that students who do want to learn can be helped then, yes, it is. Or a conditional negation.


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    Re: Would you please help me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by a partial negation.
    I'd call it a complete, unequivocal negation. "If students don't want to learn, nothing in the universe can help them."
    If, by a partial negation, you mean that students who do want to learn can be helped then, yes, it is. Or a conditional negation.
    Thank you for your replies.
    There are two sentences that follow the original one. Which one do you think means the same as the original?
    The original: all the words and theories and techniques are of no use to students who have yet to open themselves...
    1) None of the words and theories and techniques is of any use to students who have yet to open themselves...
    2) Not all the words and theories and techniques are of use to students who have yet to open themselves... (a partial negation)

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