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    Question TDOL: UE Quiz-Wish

    Q2 - I wish they ____ keep the noise down next door.
    would
    could




    I think "could" is better than "would". Frankly, I think "would" is wrong.




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    Re: TDOL: UE Quiz-Wish

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Q2 - I wish they ____ keep the noise down next door.
    would
    could




    I think "could" is better than "would". Frankly, I think "would" is wrong.




    Kind Regards,
    Blacknomi
    I wish they would keep the noise down next door. - If they don't, then they don't want to.

    I wish they could keep the noise down next door. - If they don't, then maybe they are unable to for some reason.

    If there is noise next door, then I think the sentence with "would" is more likely.

    Context would determine this, as well as the speaker's point of view. It's possible to use the sentence with "could", but I would then ask, "Why "could" and not "would"?"

    Does the speaker believe that for some reason they can't keep the noise down? If so, I would say "could" is a likely choice.

    Does the speaker believe they refuse to keep the noise down, or would refuse if asked? If so, the I would say "would" is a likely choice.

    Despite these differences and viewpoints, one might say they mean the same thing. I tend to think speakers have reasons for choosing "would" or "could" in such a case. I would, therefore, say that there is a difference in meaning.



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    Re: TDOL: UE Quiz-Wish

    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode
    I wish they would keep the noise down next door. - If they don't, then they don't want to.
    I have hard time understanding "would" in this example.


    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode
    I wish they could keep the noise down next door. - If they don't, then maybe they are unable to for some reason.
    I don't have problem with this one.


    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode
    If there is noise next door, then I think the sentence with "would" is more likely.
    Right on! There's noise next door! "Shuddap, neightbors!" I murmurred. But in real life, I am extremely polite to people so I may ask them,


    "Could you please keep the voice down? (Or I'll call the police now!)" Here "could" doesn't really mean the ability of doing something but more like a polite request. But if the interrogtive starts with "can", then it implies somewhat ability and direct request.


    "Would you keep the voice down?" It sounds like an indirect order or a less polite request because one is asking the other one's willingness to do something instead of putting himself to other's shoes.


    So,
    I wish they could. They accepted the request and would do that.
    "Could I? Of course, I'm sorry! I'll keep it down down."


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    Re: TDOL: UE Quiz-Wish

    I still have poroblems dealing with 'would' in this case. Could you explain more? I need your help.





    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    I have hard time understanding "would" in this example.


    I don't have problem with this one.


    Right on! There's noise next door! "Shuddap, neightbors!" I murmurred. But in real life, I am extremely polite to people so I may ask them,


    "Could you please keep the voice down? (Or I'll call the police now!)" Here "could" doesn't really mean the ability of doing something but more like a polite request. But if the interrogtive starts with "can", then it implies somewhat ability and direct request.


    "Would you keep the voice down?" It sounds like an indirect order or a less polite request because one is asking the other one's willingness to do something instead of putting himself to other's shoes.


    So,
    I wish they could. They accepted the request and would do that.
    "Could I? Of course, I'm sorry! I'll keep it down down."

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    Re: TDOL: UE Quiz-Wish

    "Could you keep the noise down?" is a polite way of making a request. Still, you would like them to keep the noise down. What they would do (if you had your way) would be quieter.



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    Question Re: Ron

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
    "Could you keep the noise down?" is a polite way of making a request. Still, you would like them to keep the noise down. What they would do (if you had your way) would be quieter.


    Yes, I would like them to keep the noise down.
    Yes, I could like them to keep the noise down. (NO)

    I think I've got rocks in my head at the moment and I can't figure out Tdol's example.


    I would/could keep the noise down if he wishes. (Both are OK.)

    But if you reverse the sentence,

    He wishes, then I will use "could" in the next noun clause as in "I could keep the noise down." Changing "could" to "would" is far fetched for me. I think I need some examples so that I can feel it.



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    Re: TDOL: UE Quiz-Wish

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknomi
    Q2 - I wish they ____ keep the noise down next door.
    would
    could




    I think "could" is better than "would". Frankly, I think "would" is wrong.




    Kind Regards,
    Blacknomi
    No, "would" is not wrong. However, try saying "I wish I would keep the noise down." How does that sound to you? I ask because using "I wish I would" has come up before here. So, I'm curious about what you think about it as someone whose first language is not English.

    Thanks,



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    Question Re: TDOL: UE Quiz-Wish

    Quote Originally Posted by X Mode
    No, "would" is not wrong. However, try saying "I wish I would keep the noise down." How does that sound to you? I ask because using "I wish I would" has come up before here. So, I'm curious about what you think about it as someone whose first language is not English.

    Thanks,

    Hello! X Mode,
    I'm sorry. It sounds odd to my ear. Do tell it if I am not on the wrong track!


    Let me tell you how I feel,
    "I wish I could keep the noise down."


    I wish I could, but in reality, I can't. Why not?
    "I can't because I just can not do it. When the vaccum cleans the carpet, it makes a lot of noise and it's designed to be like this. How can I do with it? You tell me! I would like to/want keep it down of course, I can't tolerate it myself. Well...I wish I had the ability to keep it quieter." I wouldn't think it a willingness to do something. It's simple that I can't do it.I am not the master of its mind. I wish I were, then I could. It's odd to say "would."




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    Re: TDOL: UE Quiz-Wish

    I'll look at this in a couple of days. I'm afraid I won't be online for a few days as I'm travelling.


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    Re: TDOL: UE Quiz-Wish

    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    I'll look at this in a couple of days. I'm afraid I won't be online for a few days as I'm travelling.
    Have a nice trip!

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