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    "join" or "join with" ?

    I can't distinguish between "join" and "join with".
    Does "Join" have the meaning of "with" ?
    When is "with" used ?
    I looked up following examples in a dictionary.
    please explain the difference lucidly.
    Thank You.
    A. She joined her aunt in the sitting room.
    B. Will you join us in a game?
    C. I'll join you later.
    D. Tom joined with me in the undertaking.
    E. Please join with us in our campaign.
    F. I will join with you at his house.
    G. Our team will join with yours.
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    Re: "join" or "join with" ?

    The with is unnecessary and redundant in all examples.

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    Re: "join" or "join with" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jlinger View Post
    The with is unnecessary and redundant in all examples.
    I agree.


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    Re: "join" or "join with" ?

    Thank you for your reply.
    If the with is unnecessary, are dictionary's examples D,E,F,G wrong expression?

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    Re: "join" or "join with" ?

    We didn't say it was wrong. We said it was unnecessary and redundant.

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    Re: "join" or "join with" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by abbulssa View Post
    Thank you for your reply.
    If the with is unnecessary, are dictionary's examples D,E,F,G wrong expression?
    Using unnecessary/redundant words is wrong at least to some degree. I wouldn't say those sentences.

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    Re: "join" or "join with" ?

    Does join with not mean to begin to work together?

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    Re: "join" or "join with" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by banderas View Post
    Does join with not mean to begin to work together?
    But "join" already carries the meanings of 'with' and 'together'.

    Look at some of the dictionary meanings of "join".
    1) to come into contact or union with
    2) to bring together in a particular relation...
    3) to participate with someone in some act or activity
    4) to become a member of a group...

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    Re: "join" or "join with" ?

    The way I see it is, if the dictionary definition includes "with" then that means the word already "contains" it. You should be able to take the dictionary definition, completely (I mean, one of the several options only of course) and use it word-for-word to replace the word you are considering.

    So, if you think "I want to join with someone in some act" is the phrase, and you replace "join" with the definition above (" to participate with someone in some act or activity") then you get: I want to participate with with someone in some act" and you get a redundant "with with" in there! So, the correct phrase is "I want to joni someone in some act."


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    Re: "join" or "join with" ?

    If so, in following web dictionary' 13th,
    URL : join definition | Dictionary.com
    [13. to become united, associated, or combined; associate or ally oneself; participate (usually fol. by with): Please join with us in our campaign.]
    Then both "join" and "join with" are correct?
    As Enghlis is not a native language, learning it seems more difficult.

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