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    Question 'Untill recently' Past or Present Perfect. Teachers please!!

    I have taken the test of 'Past and Present Perfect'.
    Question is : Which sentence is correct?

    He worked there until recently.
    He has worked there until recently.


    Could any native teacher help me clarify it with a supportive explanation?

    Really confused here again * ~*


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    Re: 'Untill recently' Past or Present Perfect. Teachers please!!

    What is the confusion?
    Why are you uncertain?


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    Re: 'Untill recently' Past or Present Perfect. Teachers please!!

    My question is whether both sentences can be spoken. I have taken the quiz in Testing part of this website, and it has requested me to choose just one correct sentence. I'm not so certain about the meaning of 'untill recently'. Is there any grammar to apply with it? Can you please explain?

    Sorry for not asking in good command of English which may cause confusion.


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    Re: 'Untill recently' Past or Present Perfect. Teachers please!!

    Teacher:
    Hello, if there are only two choices and it says that there is only one answer to the question, I would use the perfect past. He has worked here until recently. If one was to say he worked here you would usually end the sentence there. It´s like saying, ¨I have eaten millions of times in my life.¨ That would be correct. One wouldn´t say,¨I ate millions of times¨ because (like in Spanish and I´m sure some other languages) using ate is a completed action. However I´m sure I will eat more in the future. So as this is something on a continuous basis that I´ve done in the past, I (personally) would go with the PERFECT PAST TENSE, i.e. He has worked here until recently.
    Also, ´until recently´ meets from some given time until now or lately. If you could tell me what language you speak natively I might be able to translate that. Anyway though, in spanish ´until recently´ would be ´hasta ahora.´ Hope this can help.
    Last edited by nassim420; 04-Dec-2008 at 19:32. Reason: Additional response


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    Re: 'Untill recently' Past or Present Perfect. Teachers please!!

    Dear Nassim420,

    Thanks for your help here. Actually, I'm not a native speaker but a Thai. That's why you may notice that I'm not quite good in English. I speak Thai here but am trying to improve my English grammar. And it's appreciatory to have the native speakers to correct me. Your advice is so useful for me.

    Thannks to all of you again ^_______^

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    Re: 'Untill recently' Past or Present Perfect. Teachers please!!

    'He has worked here until recently'. is not past perfect it is present perfect.


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    Re: 'Untill recently' Past or Present Perfect. Teachers please!!

    The question is, why CANT we say, "He has worked there until recently.", and that the Simple Past tense is correct.?


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    Re: 'Untill recently' Past or Present Perfect. Teachers please!!

    Quote Originally Posted by David L. View Post
    The question is, why CANT we say, "He has worked there until recently.", and that the Simple Past tense is correct.?
    Is it because we do not (in this context) use the present perfect with specific time references?

    We may say he has worked there before or he has never worked there but when the time reference is more specific, for example, he has worked there recently or he has worked there 2 weeks ago - the past simple must be used. We use the present perfect (in this way) to indicate something that finished at some (unimportant) point in time past.

    The past simple is used to indicate "completed" situations/circumstances indicated as having occured at specific periods in the past, so if a specific time reference is made, the past simple (all contextual considerations satisfied) is appropriate.

    A) Are you on your way to meet us?

    B) I left the house at 8:00 (specific time reference: simple past)

    A) Are you on your way to meet us?

    B) I have already left the house (general time reference: present perfect)


    Perhaps confusion comes from the fact that we can use the present perfect with a specific time reference if we are talking about when something began or how long something has been happening.

    I have worked there since March 1st 2007.

    I have worked there for 18 months.

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