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    #1

    double negative

    Can one say:

    1-Nobody did not speak.
    instead of:
    Everybody spoke.
    Nobody managed not to speak.

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    #2

    Re: double negative

    just a student.
    I've searched COCA and BMC and could't find the sentence in red.
    just a student.

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    #3

    Re: double negative

    See below.
    Last edited by supada; 07-Dec-2008 at 21:59.

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    #4

    Re: double negative

    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    Can one say:

    1-Nobody did not speak.
    instead of:
    Everybody spoke.
    Nobody managed not to speak.
    No, one can't say that in Standard English. No reason. We just don't say it.
    Most of us wouldn't say #3 either. We'd say "Nobody managed to stay silent", or something similar.

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    #5

    Re: double negative

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    No, one can't say that in Standard English. No reason. We just don't say it.
    Most of us wouldn't say #3 either. We'd say "Nobody managed to stay silent", or something similar.
    You don't have no home?

    I'm not in no position to judge nobody.

    Above sentences are what I heard from movies many times. I mean with that form of sentence.

    Why they don't say just 'you don't have home' or 'I'm not in position to judge nobody'?

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    #6

    Re: double negative

    Quote Originally Posted by supada View Post
    You don't have no home?

    I'm not in no position to judge nobody.

    Above sentences are what I heard from movies many times. I mean with that form of sentence.

    Why they don't say just 'you don't have home' or 'I'm not in position to judge nobody'?
    There are complex reasons why people don't all (or always) speak proper English. Of course, not everyone knows standard English, even if some form of English is their first language, because their parents never knew the Standard, etc. And their families had no respect for or desire to conform to authority. One could attribute part of the reason for American Black English to this. (There are other causes, such as creolisation, and maintaining a separate dialect for identity reasons). Sub-cultures have their own vernacular, and speaking too "posh" can get you beaten up on some streets.
    Also, most young migrants want to learn their new language, and forget their old, while their parents are often too old to change their main tongue.

    When you say "Why they don't say just 'you don't have home' or 'I'm not in position to judge nobody'?" this illustrates that not everybody living in a predominantly English-speaking country is going to be to speak Standard English, for on reason or another. And those people don't necessarily want movie heroes who speak better than they do, hence Sylvester Stallone.

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    Re: double negative

    I thought it was be another form of colloquial English but I get it now.
    Last edited by supada; 08-Dec-2008 at 01:07. Reason: Typo error

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