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    Exclamation "will not have been" v. "will have not been"

    Dear English Experts,

    Could you please clarify in detail and with examples on the differences between -

    (a) "will not have been..." and (b) "will have not been..."

    Thanks a lot in advance,

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    Re: "will not have been" v. "will have not been"

    The contraction of 'will not have been' is won't have been, the contraction of 'will have not been' would be 'will haven't been'.
    Does that make you think?


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    Re: "will not have been" v. "will have not been"

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    The contraction of 'will not have been' is won't have been, the contraction of 'will have not been' would be 'will haven't been'.
    Does that make you think?

    I don't think this is what poster wanted to ask. Maybe the poster wanted to ask about the difference in meaning if any of two phrases above.


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    Re: "will not have been" v. "will have not been"

    It would make things clearer if Altyn posted actual sentences.


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    Re: "will not have been" v. "will have not been"

    Quote Originally Posted by inorderto View Post
    I don't think this is what poster wanted to ask. Maybe the poster wanted to ask about the difference in meaning if any of two phrases above.
    Exactly! I know how contraction works here. Let me rephrase my question:

    1. Are both of the above forms equally eligible in the standard English (Br./Am)?

    Or: Is any one of those forms wrong to use? (a) If so, why? (b) If both are O.K., then, what's the difference, if any?

    2. If I were to give sentence examples with the structures in question, here we are:

    "I will not have been stayed there for 5 years by then" v.
    "I will have not been stayed there for 5 years by then"

    "I will not have been living there for 5 years then" v.
    "I will have not been living there for 5 years then"

    Note: My question is about "will not have been.." or "will have not been..". Comments on correctness of the sentences in the examples are welcomed but secondary.

    3. In other words, is the following answer to the question true?

    - Yes, both usages are correct, and there is no difference in the meaning if a sentence is constructed this (will not have been) or that (will have not been) way whatsoever between them.

    Note: Few grammar books elaborate on that, but I thought expert native speakers would have a ready answer to that, while the expertise would add details to their statements.

    4. The question is about the role of "not" in such sentences. That's why I did not give "actual" sentences. On the contrary, I look forward to such sentences (as illustrations) from you, experts, with explanations, in case they would make any difference in the meaning.

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    Last edited by Altyn; 10-Dec-2008 at 09:42.

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