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    #1

    Word order

    Dear teahers,

    Can you see the sentences below?

    1. Although he didn't make the audition, I encouraged him not to give up.

    2. Although he didn't make the audition, I encouraged to not him give up.

    In terms of the word order, #1 is more familiar to me, but I heard that #2 is also fine. Are thre any subtle difference in meaning between the two? It seems to me # 2 sounds a little emphatic.

    Thank you

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    #2

    Re: Word order

    #2 is incorrect.

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    #3

    Re: Word order

    "I encouraged him not to give up"
    "I encouraged him not to give up" - Google Search (results 1-10 of 74)

    "I encouraged him to not give up"
    "I encouraged him to not give up" - Google Search (results 1-10 of 153)

    "I encouraged to not him give up"
    "I encouraged to not him give up" - Google Search (results 1 of 1 (the first post in this thread))
    You have to make "him" follow "encouraged". Example:
    I encouraged him to keep trying.
    If you rephrase it by putting "to" after "encouraged" you wind up with a mess.

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    #4

    Re: Word order

    Hi Ronbee

    I'm really sorry. I mistyped. What I'd like to ask you was that...

    1. Although he didn't make the audition, I encouraged him not to give up.
    2. Although he didn't make the audition, I encouraged him to not give up.

    #1 is more familiar to me, but I heard #2 is also fine. If both are okay, is there any difference in meaning between the two? It seems to me # 2 sounds more emphatic. It sounds like "I encouraged him" more strongly.

    Thank you

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    #5

    Re: Word order

    Quote Originally Posted by optimistic pessimist View Post
    Hi Ronbee

    I'm really sorry. I mistyped. What I'd like to ask you was that...

    1. Although he didn't make the audition, I encouraged him not to give up.
    2. Although he didn't make the audition, I encouraged him to not give up.

    #1 is more familiar to me, but I heard #2 is also fine. If both are okay, is there any difference in meaning between the two? It seems to me # 2 sounds more emphatic. It sounds like "I encouraged him" more strongly.

    Thank you
    Yes, you can say 2. It's less common and sounds awkward, but sometimes it's more correct semantically.

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    #6

    Re: Word order

    Bye the way op, in your original question you wrote; Can you see the sentences below? You should write; 'Could you look at the sentences below?'

    If you ask the former, you are asking if we are capable of seeing them.

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    Re: Word order

    Hi bhaisahab

    Thank you, bhaisahab. This was not a just careless mistake, so it's embarrassing. I always appreciate this sort of advice.

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    Re: Word order

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Yes, you can say 2. It's less common and sounds awkward, but sometimes it's more correct semantically.
    Yes, I would say that "I encouraged him to not give up." is best, because sometimes the "...not to ..." grammar can have a second possible meaning. (as below)

    'I told him not to help her.' can also mean 'I told him (what I told him) not (because I want) to help her (but for another reason)'.


    The other thing is that the 'I verbed him to...' is a set grammatical unit, whether it is followed by an affirmative or a negative. (and I am glad to see it is more commonly used)
    Last edited by 2006; 13-Dec-2008 at 22:43. Reason: add a missing word

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