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    needn't

    What is the difference between

    He needn't have gone to the police station

    and

    He didn't need to go to the police station

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    Re: needn't

    In the first, he did go, but there was no necessity for him to have done so.

    In the second, it's not clear if he did go or not, but either way, it wan't necessary.


    He went to.... He needn't have. It was a wasted trip.

    He got home earlier than he had planned because it turned out that the didn't need to go to...

    Although he went to..., he didn't need to.

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    Re: needn't

    Quote Originally Posted by robbie best View Post
    what is the difference between

    he needn't have gone to the police station he went to the police station but it was not necessary.

    and

    he didn't need to go to the police station two possible meanings
    1...he didn't go because it was not necessary.
    2....he went but it was not necessary.
    I just noticed that Barb answered but since I wrote it, I'll send it.

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    Re: needn't

    Hey, at least we agree! :)

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    Re: needn't

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Hey, at least we agree! :)
    Agreeing is good.


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    Smile Re: needn't

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    In the first, he did go, but there was no necessity for him to have done so.

    In the second, it's not clear if he did go or not, but either way, it wan't necessary.


    He went to.... He needn't have. It was a wasted trip.

    He got home earlier than he had planned because it turned out that the didn't need to go to...

    He got home earlier than he had planned because it turned out that he needn't have to...

    Although he went to..., he didn't need to.
    Although he went to..., he needn't have to.
    So, the red part is right too? Thank you ^^

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    Re: needn't

    Quote Originally Posted by robbie best View Post
    What is the difference between

    He needn't have gone to the police station (need = modal verb)

    and

    He didn't need to go to the police station (need = main verb )
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    Re: needn't

    Quote Originally Posted by tanencas View Post
    So, the red part is right too? Thank you ^^
    No, the red sentences are not correct.
    But '...he didn't have to go....' and '...he needn't have gone...' would be correct in both sentences.

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    Re: needn't

    Quote Originally Posted by tanencas View Post
    In the first, he did go, but there was no necessity for him to have done so.

    In the second, it's not clear if he did go or not, but either way, it wan't necessary.


    He went to.... He needn't have. It was a wasted trip.

    He got home earlier than he had planned because it turned out that the didn't need to go to...

    He got home earlier than he had planned because it turned out that he needn't have to...
    (go….‘need’ and ‘have to’ are auxiliary verbs.)

    Although he went to..., he didn't need to.
    Although he went to..., he needn't have to. (go….‘need’ and ‘have to’ are auxiliary verbs.)

    So, the red part is right too? Thank you ^^
    The red part is not right.
    If you use ‘need’ as a main verb, the ‘to+base form verb’ followes ‘need’.
    He needs to try very hard.
    If you use ‘need’ as a modal verb, the base form of verb follows ‘need’.
    He need try very hard.

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    Cool Re: needn't

    Quote Originally Posted by whitemoon View Post
    If you use ‘need’ as a modal verb, the base form of verb follows ‘need’.
    He need try very hard.
    As a modal verb, need is not normally used in affirmative sentences.


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