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    A 'given'

    Given that he is a liar, we cannot trust him.
    Now, the second part is a main clause. I am confused as to what the first part is, however. Can anyone help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smasher44 View Post
    Given that he is a liar, we cannot trust him.
    Now, the second part is a main clause. I am confused as to what the first part is, however. Can anyone help?
    [Given (= taking into consideration) that he is a liar - non-finite subordinate clause], we cannot trust him.



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    Re: A 'given'

    Thanks for the quick response. Just to clarify what non-finite subordinate clauses actually are - are they basically 'verbal' phrases (gerund, participle, infinitive)?

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    Re: A 'given'

    Quote Originally Posted by smasher44 View Post
    Thanks for the quick response. Just to clarify what non-finite subordinate clauses actually are - are they basically 'verbal' phrases (gerund, participle, infinitive)?
    Past partciple
    It may be:
    Because we are given that he is a liar, we cannot trust him.
    Given that.............................................. ....................

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    Smile Re: A 'given'

    Quote Originally Posted by smasher44 View Post
    Thanks for the quick response. Just to clarify what non-finite subordinate clauses actually are - are they basically 'verbal' phrases (gerund, participle, infinitive)? yes


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    Re: A 'given'

    Quote Originally Posted by smasher44 View Post
    Given that he is a liar, we cannot trust him.
    Now, the second part is a main clause. I am confused as to what the first part is, however. Can anyone help?
    Given that he is a liar (=As he is known to be a liar), we cannot trust him.
    It looks like a clause of reason to me, and 'given' is something like a conjunction. On the other hand, 'given' could be regarded as a reduced clause of reason itself followed by an object clause. Need to think. :)
    Last edited by Clark; 29-Dec-2008 at 13:02.


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    Re: A 'given'

    I think we can consider 'given that' as a composite conjunction introducing an adverbial clause of reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    I think we can consider 'given that' as a composite conjunction introducing an adverbial clause of reason.
    I could actually entirely agree with you on this!

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