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    #1

    Why should is here?

    Title: The Adventures of Sally

    Author: P. G. Wodehouse


    Sally, watching her brother heave himself to his feet as the cheers died
    away, felt her heart beat a little faster with anticipation. Fillmore
    was a fluent young man, once a power in his college debating society,
    and it was for that reason that she had insisted on his coming here
    tonight.

    She had guessed that Mr. Faucitt, the old dear, would say all sorts of
    delightful things about her, and she had mistrusted her ability to make
    a fitting reply. And it was imperative that a fitting reply should
    proceed from someone. She knew Mr. Faucitt so well. He looked on these
    occasions rather in the light of scenes from some play; and, sustaining
    his own part in them with such polished grace, was certain to be pained
    by anything in the nature of an anti-climax after he should have ceased
    to take the stage. Eloquent himself, he must be answered with eloquence,
    or his whole evening would be spoiled.

    The question is why should is necessary here.

    Michael


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    #2

    Re: Why should is here?

    He looked on these occasions rather in the light of scenes from some play; and, sustaining his own part in them with such polished grace, was certain to be pained by anything in the nature of an anti-climax after he should have ceased
    to take the stage.


    Thoughts that came up in me are:
    imaginery should, putative should, optional usage.
    Last edited by svartnik; 15-Jan-2009 at 12:01.

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    #3

    Re: Why should is here?

    I would place here just future in the past. That is would + have v+ed.

    Should is still a mystery to me here.

    Michael


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    Re: Why should is here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grablevskij View Post
    I would place here just future in the past. That is would + have v+ed.

    Should is still a mystery to me here.

    Michael
    would with the meaning of volition? After + will (denoting future) is not correct grammar.

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    #5

    Re: Why should is here?

    after + will + perfect infinitive is Ok for me (it just shows that the action is completed).
    And in no volition here. Just future in the past, I would say.

    should + have + v+ed gives us a case of reproach. This is what puzzles me.

    Michael.


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    Re: Why should is here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grablevskij View Post
    after + will + perfect infinitive is Ok for me (it just shows that the action is completed).
    And in no volition here. Just future in the past, I would say.

    should + have + v+ed gives us a case of reproach. This is what puzzles me.

    Michael.
    According to Swan, 'after plus will' (auxiliary denoting future) is incorrect. We use the simple present or the present perfect to talk about the future.

    I think your should is an optional putative should used in an imaginary situation.
    Last edited by svartnik; 15-Jan-2009 at 12:29.

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