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  1. vinodbamb
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    What is the difference between never since and ever since. Can any one give example of each one. Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinodbamb View Post
    What is the difference between never since and ever since. Can any one give example of each one. Thanks in advance.
    Hi,

    I am not 100% sure but it is a little strange to have never and since together. Never implies an absolute lack of something. I have never smoked a cigarette...means...never ever in my life. (You can put Never and Ever together).

    Since...implies that something exists or is done starting at a certain point in time. (this contradicts the meaning of never).

    You CAN on the other hand have ever since together. That means from a certain point in time you have done something new or something new exisits.

    For example: Ever since I started working out at the gym, I feel like I have more energy.

    Ever since I stopped smoking, I can't stop coughing.

    Ever since [something changes] [something else occurs because of the change]

    I hope that helps you understand the two better. If you have a specifc example of never and since together...please post it. I might be forgetting some specific form of context..but I am pretty sure they can't go together.

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    Re: never since

    I have no problem with 'never since' - the negative aspect of 'never' applies to the verb that follows the 'since'. To take Diana's example:

    'Ever since I stopped smoking, I can't stop coughing.'
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    'Never, since I gave up smoking, have I been able to stop coughing.'

    With that word order you need the commas. But it could just as well be this:

    'I gave up smoking five years ago. But I've never since been able to stop coughing.'

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    Re: never since

    Quote Originally Posted by English-coach View Post
    Hi,

    I am not 100% sure but it is a little strange to have never and since together. Never implies an absolute lack of something. I have never smoked a cigarette...means...never ever in my life. (You can put Never and Ever together).

    Since...implies that something exists or is done starting at a certain point in time. (this contradicts the meaning of never).

    You CAN on the other hand have ever since together. That means from a certain point in time you have done something new or something new exisits.

    For example: Ever since I started working out at the gym, I feel like I have more energy.

    Ever since I stopped smoking, I can't stop coughing.

    Ever since [something changes] [something else occurs because of the change]

    I hope that helps you understand the two better. If you have a specifc example of never and since together...please post it. I might be forgetting some specific form of context..but I am pretty sure they can't go together.

    Happy learning.
    Diana
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    Hello there,

    Is it possible to use "never since" in this context:

    " He went to the US last year, and I have never seen him since."

    Thank you for your comments.

    Darijus

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    Re: never since

    Quote Originally Posted by Darijus View Post
    Hello there,

    Is it possible to use "never since" in this context:

    " He went to the US last year, and I have never seen him since."

    Thank you for your comments.

    Darijus
    In that sense YES because you are using HAVE...(the present perfect) and Never is not beside since.

    I guess what I ment to say before is that you can't form a sentence with "Never since" together...they need to be separated...like Bobk suggests. "Ever since" on the other hand can be used together...side by side. Ever since I started writing... .

    :)
    Diana

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