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    Arrow Conditionals (1st, 2nd, 3rd)

    I need some little check. Thank you

    It rained all day.
    If the weather (not be) so bad, we (go out).

    --> If the weather hadn't been so bad, we would have gone out.

    We expect Mary to be here soon.
    If she (not arrive), we (found) her.

    --> If she doesn't arrive, we will find her.
    There is a bus.
    If we (get on that one), we (arrive in time).
    I can't see the bus, but even if we (catch) a bus now, we (be) late.

    --> If we get on that one, we will arrive in time.
    --> I can't see the bus, but even, if we caught a bus now, we would be late.
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    Re: Conditionals (1st, 2nd, 3rd)

    Quote Originally Posted by phissen View Post
    I need some little check. Thank you

    It rained all day.
    If the weather (not be) so bad, we (go out).
    --> If the weather hadn't been so bad, we would have gone out.

    We expect Mary to be here soon.
    If she (not arrive), we (found) her.
    --> If she doesn't arrive, we will find her.
    There is a bus.
    If we (get on that one), we (arrive in time).
    I can't see the bus, but even if we (catch) a bus now, we (be) late.
    --> If we get on that one, we will arrive in time.
    --> I can't see the bus, but even, if we caught a bus now, we would be late.
    All your sentences are perfectly correct.

    Don't put a comma before the "if" in the last sentence: it should be "...but even if we caught a bus now, we..".

    Actually the non-conditional form is probably more common: "if we catch a bus now, we will (still) be late".

    The way you have it, it emphasizes the unlikelihood of catching a bus. With the present/future, you're expecting to catch a bus any moment, but are conceding that you'll be late either way.


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    Re: Conditionals (1st, 2nd, 3rd)

    Quote Originally Posted by abaka View Post
    Actually the non-conditional form is probably more common: "if we catch a bus now, we will (still) be late".

    The way you have it, it emphasizes the unlikelihood of catching a bus. With the present/future, you're expecting to catch a bus any moment, but are conceding that you'll be late either way.
    So...it can be 1st (present + future) - catch | will be late or 2nd (past + would) - caught | would be late?

    When using 1st (conditional) is expecting bus any moment, and 2nd (conditional) is...what? I didn't understand that...

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    Re: Conditionals (1st, 2nd, 3rd)

    Quote Originally Posted by phissen View Post
    So...it can be 1st (present + future) - catch | will be late or 2nd (past + would) - caught | would be late?
    Yes.

    1st: Even if we catch the bus now, we will be late.
    2nd: Even if we caught the bus now, we would be late.

    Both are correct.

    When using 1st (conditional) is expecting bus any moment
    That's right: you are expecting to catch the bus. You are not expecting the bus will not come.

    and 2nd (conditional) is...what? I didn't understand that...
    You are not "expecting" a bus to come. You may be neutral: it may or may not come. Or pessimistic: it will not come, but even if it did...

    What I said about "emphasizing the unlikelihood" is perhaps too strong, but the uncertainty or pessimism is definitely there.


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    now I understand. thank you very much :)

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