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    Re: by and with

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post
    When surrounded is not adjectival in nature, only 'by' is possible.
    Could you give an example?

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    It should have been 'bodyguards'.
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    I want my house surrounded with a red brick fence. (Someone wants to put up such a fence around his or her house)


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    #13

    Re: by and with

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    I would choose 'by' for all of them.


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    Re: by and with

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    Could you give an example?
    Any of your sentences, for example.


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    Re: by and with

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post
    Any of your sentences, for example.
    Could you give a sentence in which it is 'adjectival' in nature?


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    Re: by and with

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    Could you give a sentence in which it is 'adjectival' in nature?
    (Being) surrounded by/with languagelovers, I am here to air my drivel.

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    #17

    Re: by and with

    bodyguards (mute r)


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    #18

    Re: by and with

    How about this:

    The town was surrounded with/by a wall in order to fortify.


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    #19

    Re: by and with

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    How about this:

    The town was surrounded with/by a wall in order to fortify.
    USe 'by'. I would not regard 'surrounded' in your sentence as a predicate adjective. '(S)urrounded' is not adjectival in nature; it is part of the passive structure.

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    Truy is another town excavated by the Deeper Earth, a team of archeologists having been working in the Alps over the past two months. It seems to the team that the town was once surrounded by a wall of stone. (The archeologists are focusing on the structure itself; it may seem obvious that the wall had been erected on purpose by somebody. Here, surrounded is an adjective)

    In the past, the town was continually attacked. So it was just a matter of time when they decided to do something about it. After a few weeks of construction the town had finally been surrounded with a wall of stone, 12ft high. (The residents built a wall themselves; they surrounded the town with a wall. Here, surrounded is in the passive)

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