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    correct?

    Hi,

    could you please tell me whether the following is correct:

    1) the law allows property participation of state enterprises in the business of other persons
    2) the owner of the property shares acquired by state enterprises is the state
    3) the act does not regulate acquisitions of property shares in the business of other persons
    4) this form does not carry an obligation to make property investments

    Thanks a lot!

    Hanka

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanka View Post
    Hi,

    could you please tell me whether the following is correct:

    1) the law allows property participation of state enterprises in the business of other persons'
    2) the owner of the property shares acquired by state enterprises is the state
    3) the act does not regulate acquisitions of property shares in the business of other persons'
    4) this form does not carry an obligation to make property investments

    Thanks a lot!

    Hanka

    Pay attention---> (')s were added (double genitive)


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    Re: correct?

    Actually, I have never seen the apostrophes used like this


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    Re: correct?

    I want to murder the double genitive.


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    Re: correct?

    But if you google it (e.g. property of other persons), most (if not all) of the results are without the apostrophe.

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    There's a difference in use.

    -The genitive relation expresses 'possession'.
    other persons' businesses
    -In a double genitive relationship (a book of Mary's), it expresses the same:
    businesses of other persons'


    -On the contrary, in expressions like:
    the garage door
    -can be paraphrased:
    the door of the garage
    -But you never say:
    the garage's door (at least in a non-fictional context).

    other persons businesses is then wrong.


    Google is not always a reliable source, in my opinion. (Unless you know the web page result is incontrovertible). I would use a corpus.

    Cheers

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    Re: correct?

    1) the law allows property participation of state enterprises in the business of other persons
    2) the owner of the property shares acquired by state enterprises is the state
    3) the act does not regulate acquisitions of property shares in the business of other persons
    4) this form does not carry an obligation to make property investments


    All of these sentences are both correct and very poorly written. Too many nouns is a disease of supposedly formal writing. English loves active verbs:
    • The law allows state enterprises to hold shares in private firms.
    • The state holds/retains title to the shares that state enterprises acquire in private firms.
    • The act does not regulate the acquisition of stock in private firms by the state. (Still too many nouns, but the plain English The act does not regulate how the state acquires stock in private firms is probably not "formal" enough, given the simple "how").
    And a note about the last sentence. By property, do you mean "real estate" ar any other specific type of property? If so, say it. Otherwise, since "property" is very general, you should probably leave it out:
    • This firm (form??) has no obligation to invest [in real estate]. OR This firm is not obliged/required to invest [in real estate]. OR This firm need not invest [in real estate]. The last version is probably not formal enough when discussing legal requirements.
    Last edited by abaka; 02-Feb-2009 at 18:51. Reason: Rephrased last sentence


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    Re: correct?

    so "assets of the state's" is correct, too?

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    Re: correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanka View Post
    so "assets of the state's" is correct, too?
    No. In formal writing, the double possessive is to be avoided at all cost.

    Assets of the state or, better because more parsimoniously, state assets.


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    So, the double genitive is a matter of informal language? Why is it used then, if - in formal language - it is allowed to say "business of other persons", "assets of the state" etc.

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